They should film that story and show it every Christmas.

Xander ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Natter 73: Chuck Norris only wishes he could Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Hil R. - Apr 07, 2015 8:30:35 am PDT #23885 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

One of my college friends left her church when her parents got divorced after her mother had an affair with the minister.


Zenkitty - Apr 07, 2015 8:32:27 am PDT #23886 of 30000
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

-t, I think that's all pretty wonderful.

Hil, that would do it for me, for sure.


-t - Apr 07, 2015 8:32:45 am PDT #23887 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

That is immensely understandable.


Trudy Booth - Apr 07, 2015 8:35:52 am PDT #23888 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I read an article years ago about the few Jews remaining in Poland. One of the men didn't believe anything at all religiously, but would attend prayers so the other men could make their minyan. That has always stuck with me.


-t - Apr 07, 2015 8:35:56 am PDT #23889 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I wish I'd brought my cookies into work where I clearly need them rather than leaving them in my kitchen where they "belong".


Hil R. - Apr 07, 2015 8:42:21 am PDT #23890 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I read an article years ago about the few Jews remaining in Poland. One of the men didn't believe anything at all religiously, but would attend prayers so the other men could make their minyan. That has always stuck with me.

Poland has been having a weird sort of "Jewish Revival" lately. There have been a lot of young Poles (who seem to be roughly the Polish equivalent of hipsters) getting really interested in Jewish history, and organizing Jewish cultural festivals with Jewish music and Jewish food and Jewish dancing and stuff, but almost no actual Jews involved. Many of them seem to be really sincere in appreciating this stuff, but don't seem to think that they have any reason or need to involve any actual Jews in any of it. They see it as a lost piece of history, basically. Some of them will talk about how their grandmother once told them that they had some secret Jewish ancestry. It kind of reminds me of the way white Americans sometimes treat Native American stuff. The American Jewish press has not really been sure what to make of this, other than publishing, "This is really odd, and we don't understand it, and huh? And why?" articles every so often.


shrift - Apr 07, 2015 8:50:44 am PDT #23891 of 30000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

They see it as a lost piece of history, basically.

Oh, Young Poles, no.


Beverly - Apr 07, 2015 8:55:15 am PDT #23892 of 30000
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Oh man, catching up this morning has been great. -t, I would love to see some of those wedding photos. It sounds like a wonderful sort of inclusion, in your family.

I grew up in a Southern Baptist home, Dad was a deacon, Mom sang in the choir, we were in church anytime the doors were open. As a teenager, on my own, in a provincial southern town, I researched Roman Catholicism, Judaism, and gradually eased away from scheduled church-going as soon as I moved into the college dorm. I did attend services with my Catholic roommate, and Espiscopalian and Lutheran friends, as well as the local Moravian services, and had long conversations with my Jewish friends* (I'll always be grateful for their patience and indulgence), but nothing really stuck.

I wound up marrying a former Byzantine Catholic, former boys' choir member and altar boy, schooled by nuns and disaffected, and distanced, like me, by dorm living, from attendance other than family decreed. Both sets of parents were convinced we were going to hell, but my folks thought the kids would probably be okay, since we sent them to Sunday School, at least for a while, though his folks were deeply aghast.

H drifted into secular Humanism, I explored Native American spirituality, Celtic paganism, Druidism, Buddhism. Despite my present deist-free philosophy, elements of Southern Baptist upbringing are never entirely shed. Most thoughts, ideas, and concepts are first-filtered through that Protestant POV. I'm still working on that.

*ETA: Performing arts school, high school and college students from a broad spectrum of backgrounds, one I'd never have found elsewhere, and for which I have been utterly grateful.


Connie Neil - Apr 07, 2015 9:07:24 am PDT #23893 of 30000
brillig

I grew up Methodist, but more because that was the closest Protestant church to where we lived than anything else, I think. Mother had a horror of non-Protestants. I was in the choir, attended every week, attended and taught Vacation Bible School--and dated the preacher of the local church when I was in college just before he was transferred, though that wasn't part of the standard church going experience and I don't remember what my mother thought about it.

I dallied with Catholicism in college, but more from historical interest than anything, and it was so different from Methodism. Church on Friday or Saturday? You had choices, and could sleep in on Sunday? Wow!

I've gone fairly pagan/freeform, but after a lifetime's contemplation, I'm good with where I am in relation to the eternal.


shrift - Apr 07, 2015 9:26:25 am PDT #23894 of 30000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

I'm exhausted and a yappy dog is trying to pull me into a meeting I don't want to be in. There's only so many times I can clarify to you that what you are doing isn't going to work, yappy, and I have bigger fires to attend to.

Also, I need a nap before I can have an actual conversation with anyone right now.