Lindsey: Why--why did you... Lorne: One last job. You're not part of the solution, Lindsey. You never will be. Lindsey: You kill me? A flunky?! I'm not just...Angel...kills me. You...Angel... Lorne: Good night, folks.

'Not Fade Away'


Natter 73: Chuck Norris only wishes he could Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Trudy Booth - Jan 15, 2015 9:57:04 am PST #15363 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I hope, since she hadn't expressed as much where I could hear, that she hadn't given much thought to her privacy under these circumstances. She did, however, care a lot about not burdening people. She wouldn't want you to be overburdened for her sake.

Bon Bon makes a good point here.

Something else just occurred to me. You certainly COULD have chosen to let ita's parents be told through some sort of official channels. I bet that didn't even occur to you as a possibility. You did it yourself as an act of love, as the actions of a good friend. In some ways, telling her parents yourself was the last thing you could do for her personally and you did it unblinkingly.

If talking about it will help you, you can talk. If something feels too private, you can go back and nuke it and ask anyone who read it to not discuss it further.


Sophia Brooks - Jan 15, 2015 10:09:48 am PST #15364 of 30000
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

A facebook "friend" posted this ED Doctor's screed today and it is taking all of my strength not to respond in anger [link]

However, I have to remember that anger is not my strong suit- I don't usually sound righteous, I sound deranged, and I am unlikely to convince anyone. I am much better with the "finding common ground"

But I am already angry about how ita was treated at the ED, and this was written by an actual doctor and being spread to the common people as truth. Yes, our system is broken if the only way that poor people can get care is to go to the ED. But first of all, not everyone in the emergency room is poor! Maybe some are having an emergency!!!


-t - Jan 15, 2015 10:14:33 am PST #15365 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

You certainly COULD have chosen to let ita's parents be told through some sort of official channels.

That's true. When DH died I didn't think I could deal with telling his mother and I let the police do it. They did not do it well and I have regretted that ever since.


Maria - Jan 15, 2015 10:18:23 am PST #15366 of 30000
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

When DH died I didn't think I could deal with telling his mother and I let the police do it. They did not do it well and I have regretted that ever since.

The police wouldn't for me. Rob's parents were out and not answering their cell phone either. The police only left them a message that they needed to contact me immediately. I will never forget that call.


Steph L. - Jan 15, 2015 10:21:39 am PST #15367 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

A facebook "friend" posted this ED Doctor's screed today

That's precisely what I was talking about yesterday: doctors who have nothing but contempt for the people they're meant to care for.


Sophia Brooks - Jan 15, 2015 10:30:38 am PST #15368 of 30000
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

The sad thing to me is that it is some nurses, too. Especially in the ED, where I think it is high burn-out. I think of myself in my retail days and how much I thought people were just the worst and multiply it by 1000. They really should be rotated out once they start to have too much contempt.

Also, you do not want to hear some nurses talk about people with fibromyalgia, who they think are lazy women faking so they do not have to work.


JZ - Jan 15, 2015 10:31:01 am PST #15369 of 30000
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

-t and Maria, I am hugging you both. It's a shitty, cruel hand to be dealt, no matter what you do.

I was talking with one of my bosses about the ER thing, and he said that it's impossible not to get burned out and bitter -- he did a bunch of ER rotations as a student and resident, and saw an endless stream of people who were there because they had nowhere else to go, and his guess was that 95% of those asking for pain meds were drug-seekers. And plenty of them had stacks of paper and cards with what they told the on-call folks were their doctors' phone numbers and pager numbers. He said that, essentially, there couldn't have been a worse place for ita to be sent or a place where she'd be more certain to be treated badly and disregarded.

I said, "But if that's the only thing keeping them functional, wouldn't it be less harmful just to *let* people have their physical addictions and just try to make their circumstances as safe and non-shameful and non-criminal as possible?" And he shrugged and said, sure, he agreed 100%, but that's not up to him or to anyone not in Sacramento or Washington or any other capital; the ER docs have more power than the drug-seekers and the genuinely sick, but not by much.

It was not a cheery conversation.


Burrell - Jan 15, 2015 10:35:51 am PST #15370 of 30000
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Happy birthday, msbelle!

EDIT:Sorry, my post sounds off-tone. It wasn't meant that way. I am having a hard time keeping up with the conversation.


Trudy Booth - Jan 15, 2015 10:39:47 am PST #15371 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

That's true. When DH died I didn't think I could deal with telling his mother and I let the police do it. They did not do it well and I have regretted that ever since.

And you did what you thought was best, -t. There is no way you could have known they would do it so badly. You were ALSO making the loving choice. Were you "screw her, whatever"? or was it more along the lines of "I'm barely coherent and just can't fucking do this." ?

My money is on the latter.


Connie Neil - Jan 15, 2015 10:44:28 am PST #15372 of 30000
brillig

Thank the gods the most important people to tell about Hubby were in the room when he died. I'm very lucky we had warning.