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Natter 72: We Were Unprepared for This  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


flea - Sep 29, 2013 2:19:10 pm PDT #7248 of 30000
information libertarian

Hil, do you know anything about Jews in colonial America? I have an ancestor named Moses David Levi, who was born ca. 1728 in Philadelphia, and converted to Christianity in 1759. Most of what I know about him is from a book about the church he was converted to, which kept really detailed records (http://books.google.com/books?id=ThgVAAAAYAAJ&dq=history+of+the+Goshenhoppen+Reformed+charge,+Montgomery+County&source=gbs_navlinks_s). He married a woman with a German name and the community he lived in seems to have been very German, but my limited research on pre-Revolutionary Jews suggests they were mostly Sephardim.


Hil R. - Sep 29, 2013 2:21:33 pm PDT #7249 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Hil, do you know anything about Jews in colonial America?

They were mostly Sephardim, mostly descended from people who had fled the Inquisition and moved to Amsterdam, but there were some others, too.


§ ita § - Sep 29, 2013 2:22:11 pm PDT #7250 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

A lot of British records are online, and generally indexed pretty well.

The question is Samuel Barrett Moulton Barrett--did he have kids with a Jamaican black woman, and if so, what were their names?

The curiosity is--clearly the official documents don't support their position or they'd be wearing the T shirts--how could I find out about shenanigans? I guess I can't eliminate them, but still.

I'm sure the best our Moultons could do would be to have been being owned.


Jessica - Sep 29, 2013 2:22:51 pm PDT #7251 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I just randomly looked up my biological grandfather on Wikipedia, and am irrationally annoyed that his fourth wife is listed as spouse instead of my grandmother. (She was his wife at the time he died, and he may have been married to her longer, but still. My Nana was the one who raised all his kids, damnit. Two of whom are also missing from the entry.)


Hil R. - Sep 29, 2013 2:36:09 pm PDT #7252 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

The question is Samuel Barrett Moulton Barrett--did he have kids with a Jamaican black woman, and if so, what were their names?

The curiosity is--clearly the official documents don't support their position or they'd be wearing the T shirts--how could I find out about shenanigans? I guess I can't eliminate them, but still.

I'm sure the best our Moultons could do would be to have been being owned.

I'm not sure. There are a bunch of slave registers from Jamaica that are searchable at ancestry.com, but without knowing first names, I wouldn't know how to figure out which people to look at. There are a lot of slaves listed as belonging to Samuel Moulton Barrett, and some listings where the slaves have the last name Moulton and the owner is listed as just Samuel Barrett, so there is information there, if you know what to look for.


Calli - Sep 29, 2013 2:38:23 pm PDT #7253 of 30000
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Hil, if you don't mind looking up some more, I have a question about one of my great grandfathers. Isaac Valli (1878-1947) was born in Finland and came to the US around 1900. His father's name was Jacob Sorkala Eliasson (1846-1931), who also immigrated to the US around then. Apparently Issac was legitimate, so I've been wondering--why the name change? My theory is that he had another family as "Isaac Eliasson," but I'm not sure how to find out. (The family story is that he only came home long enough to get great grandma pregnant, so it seems possible.)


Tom Scola - Sep 29, 2013 2:40:02 pm PDT #7254 of 30000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Is he albino, Anne?


Anne W. - Sep 29, 2013 2:45:01 pm PDT #7255 of 30000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Nope. He's got greeny-gold eyes.


Hil R. - Sep 29, 2013 2:47:05 pm PDT #7256 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Hil, if you don't mind looking up some more, I have a question about one of my great grandfathers. Isaac Valli (1878-1947) was born in Finland and came to the US around 1900. His father's name was Jacob Sorkala Eliasson (1846-1931), who also immigrated to the US around then. Apparently Issac was legitimate, so I've been wondering--why the name change? My theory is that he had another family as "Isaac Eliasson," but I'm not sure how to find out. (The family story is that he only came home long enough to get great grandma pregnant, so it seems possible.)

Well, according to wikipedia, Finland didn't require hereditary surnames until 1921, and there were a bunch of regions that didn't use them before that. So it could just be that they had different names.


flea - Sep 29, 2013 2:48:23 pm PDT #7257 of 30000
information libertarian

Oh, here's another one. Andreas Koch (1759-1826) emigrated to Baltimore ca. 1798. Daughter Sophia Dorothea Koch. I can't find him in immigration records, I can't find him in a census, nothing. Everything I know about him is from a 3x5 card in my grandfather's handwriting/