It's my estimation that... every man ever got a statue made of him, was one kind of sumbitch or another.

Mal ,'Jaynestown'


Natter 72: We Were Unprepared for This  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Lee - Sep 19, 2013 8:57:29 am PDT #5739 of 30000
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

There were complaints mid-season that they were being short-shrifted, but I think mid-season is too soon to decide, and I think they got similar levels of intimacy to all of the other couples on the show.

(Teen wolf) There was one M/M scene in the last few eps that I think was just as/more explicit than most of the het sex scenes on the show.

Though maybe I was just paying more attention.


Dana - Sep 19, 2013 9:00:29 am PDT #5740 of 30000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

And I just got another meeting request. I'm not doing an annual review YOU CAN'T MAKE ME.


Theodosia - Sep 19, 2013 9:00:46 am PDT #5741 of 30000
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Quick somebody! Warn me not to get into an argument that lumping "over-stayed visa" and "denied asylum after legally allowed into this country" in with illegal "hopped over the fence" immigrants is not only stupid but completely beside the point.


bon bon - Sep 19, 2013 9:07:56 am PDT #5742 of 30000
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

There's only one romantic couple on the poster, though. The body language of the m/m couple is familial fighting. That's what I read. There's no sexual implication in it, phobic or philic. Given that one of the people on the poster is an out gay man-- who is raising a child-- it's a stretch to see that NBC is indicating how gross gayness is.


Theodosia - Sep 19, 2013 9:15:32 am PDT #5743 of 30000
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Oh lord, now they're insisting that Wikipedia has a liberal bias.


Jesse - Sep 19, 2013 9:18:07 am PDT #5744 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Theo: [link]


§ ita § - Sep 19, 2013 9:19:46 am PDT #5745 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Given that one of the people on the poster is an out gay man-- who is raising a child

That wasn't on the poster I saw.

I mean, Sean Hayes was on the poster I saw, but the plot wasn't, and neither was his bio. None of the plots were. I'm not asking a question about the shows, I'm asking a question about the *poster*.

The question about the handling of M/M relationships onscreen clearly doesn't include Sean Hayes' show until we have footage from it to decide on.

The question of network TV's attitude towards gay couples with a focus on M/M will encompass both the content of their shows and of their marketing campaigns. I'm sure one day real soon the billboard will have a M-M pair on equal par with any other pair, whatever the relationship is. My interpretation of the weather is that we're not there yet, and I have no American evidence to present to the sis (and a decent amount of Argentinian supporting evidence for hers). Is there a poster somewhere I'm missing?


Jesse - Sep 19, 2013 9:25:00 am PDT #5746 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Like this? [link] [link]


Dana - Sep 19, 2013 9:25:01 am PDT #5747 of 30000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Ooh, I think I just found a job I really want, but I'm going to have to write a cover letter to spin my experience.


bon bon - Sep 19, 2013 9:36:27 am PDT #5748 of 30000
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Yeah, I kind of don't care about imaginary billboard equality. If you're not satisfied by evidence of actual gay TV content, including the highest rated sitcom on TV, then have fun railing against the vast homophobic billboard conspiracy.

ETA: second highest, excuse me