Fred: So you don't worry that it's possible for someone to send out a biological or electronic trigger that effectively overrides your own sense of ideals and values and replaces them with an alternative coercive agenda that reduces you to a mindless meat puppet? Shopkeeper: Wow. People used to think that I was paranoid.

'Time Bomb'


Natter 72: We Were Unprepared for This  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


-t - Sep 14, 2013 6:28:49 pm PDT #5297 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

If I'd realized and made cowboy coffee or Turkish coffee (which is very much like the process you describe, sarameg, except small kettle) it would've been perfectly okay. Actually, the cup of coffee I got was perfectly okay, the grounds pretty much settled to the bottom of the cup as I drank, just the process was so very different from what I expected it was unsettling. Mostly, I wish this grinder had come with a bit more in the way of instructions so I would know if I was turning the adjustment wheel the wrong way or what - I want a coarser grind in part so it'll be easier and quicker to grind up my beans of a morning.


Amy - Sep 14, 2013 6:33:02 pm PDT #5298 of 30000
Because books.

The one where the doves put the ring on her finger?

Yes!

my friend/neighbor (I need a shorthand for that)

Freighbor?


Ginger - Sep 14, 2013 6:38:02 pm PDT #5299 of 30000
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

One reason a lot of wild figures get thrown around about radiation is that most of the data before Chernobyl came from atom bomb survivors. To put it crudely, dose levels were based on the idea that if being hit with 30 hammers at one time will kill you, then being hit with one hammer a month for 30 months will kill you. We don't really have evidence that low-level radiation has much effect. People in Denver are exposed to more ionizing radiation than people at sea level, but Denver doesn't have more cancer.


sarameg - Sep 14, 2013 6:56:44 pm PDT #5300 of 30000

In 1991 (pre-collapse-USSR) I was on a work trip with a Georgian firefighter who had done a stint at Chernobyl in the first weeks. He had been advised to avoid sun exposure for more than 15 minutes a day by Soviet doctors. Of course he didn't. He'd already buried several coworkers. But they were definitely the extremes. I do assume he's dead now.

OTOH, the sun-exposure cautiousness that Aussies exhibit compared to where I grew up (where low lat and 4000 ft) was remarkable. But they might have a hole?


Burrell - Sep 14, 2013 7:19:25 pm PDT #5301 of 30000
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Fukushima is so hideously dangerous

Do I need to worry about the cousins (kinda cousins anyway, by marriage--step-cousins?) who are in Japan because the husband is a nuclear engineer in the US Navy working at Fukushima?


-t - Sep 14, 2013 9:22:29 pm PDT #5302 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

OK, possibly having my daily cup of coffee and my daily cup of tea after sunset was not a smart decision. I'm using this extra awake time to finally try making that unsweetened cheesecake I've been thinking about for the past month or two, so that's something.

Beating cream cheese with a hand crank egg beater is not easy, but once I added egg and cream and sour cream it worked out okay. About to go in the oven.


Typo Boy - Sep 14, 2013 10:07:35 pm PDT #5303 of 30000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Ginger, the Academy of Sciences does not agree with you on this one. Low level radiation is now pretty much agreed by scientific consensus to work just the way you say it does not being hit by one hammer over 30 months is about the same as being hit 30 hammers in one month. There maybe a little difference - maybe being hit by one hammer once a month for 30 months is like being hit by 20 hammers. But not a lot of difference from linear [link]

Calculations in this report suggest that approximately one cancer (star) per 100 people could result from a single exposure to 0.1 Sv of low-LET radiation above background average, assuming a sex and age distribution similar to that
of the entire U.S. population, the BEIR VII lifetime risk model predicts that approximately 1 person in 100 would be expected to develop cancer (solid cancer or leukemia) from a dose of 0.1 Sv above background, while approximately 42 of the 100 individuals would be expected to develop solid cancer or leukemia from other causes. Lower doses would produce proportionally lower risks.

So standard assumption as of 2006 was the Linear Threshold Model, the one you are rejecting. Since Academy links are trick, if it does not work you can google " Health Risks from Exposure to Low Levels of Ionizing Radiation:BEIR VII Phase 2 (2006)" Now there are dissenter - quite a number of them arguing that there is indeed a threshold that below it the body is self healing and radiation may even have a homeopathic effect. Similarly there are dissenters who say that below a certain level the bodies defenses fail and that effects are even greater per fraction of a Sievert at very low doses. The linear No Threshold appears to be the conservative estimate at the moment. I know the French Academy of Sciences disagree, but at any rate that the LNT is false if far from settled science.

More recent EPA 2009 [link] That is the "One hammer per month for 30 months is like 20 hammers" version - That is at low doses the effect is 1.5 less than at high doses. Still pretty close to linear.


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 15, 2013 2:23:04 am PDT #5304 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Plutonium is not water soluble. It also mainly emits alpha particles, which means it has to be ingested to do any harm.

Isn't the chemical toxicity of plutonium much greater than the radiation danger from such close contact? I remember it being listed as the most poisonous substance back when I read Guiness records for entertainment.


Zenkitty - Sep 15, 2013 2:23:54 am PDT #5305 of 30000
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Note to self: don't drink plutonium.


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 15, 2013 2:24:20 am PDT #5306 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

YOLO.