Book: Captain, you mind if I say grace? Mal: Only if you say it out loud.

'Serenity'


Natter 72: We Were Unprepared for This  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Nora Deirdre - Sep 13, 2013 7:05:07 am PDT #5139 of 30000
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

With alcoholic family members at the wedding, I'd seriously consider giving the reception partyers drink chits rather than open bar, with maybe gift certificates for those who don't want the chits, because virtue should be rewarded.

I don't think drinking is inherently non-virtuous. Even if it's alcoholics doing it.

I have been to dry weddings because of (non-reformed) alcoholic parents, and one of the many reasons Tom and I eloped was to avoid having to deal with that stuff. It was just too hard and I knew that I didn't want to deal with it at all.


Hil R. - Sep 13, 2013 7:06:28 am PDT #5140 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

At my cousins' b'nai mitzvah a few months ago, I got carded. It was ridiculous. I didn't have my license with me, since I was in a fancy dress with no pockets and a little tiny purse, so I just put in the purse the things I thought I'd need. I told the bartender that I was 32 and had been legal to drink for over a decade, and I even went and found my mom and several other older relatives who would vouch for me, including the mother of the b'nai mitzvah kids, but no good. I looked too young, so no ID, no drink.


Jessica - Sep 13, 2013 7:13:10 am PDT #5141 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

with maybe gift certificates for those who don't want the chits, because virtue should be rewarded.

I don't think drinking is inherently non-virtuous. Even if it's alcoholics doing it.

Yeah, I have a serious problem with "rewarding virtue" in this context.


Amy - Sep 13, 2013 7:17:43 am PDT #5142 of 30000
Because books.

I think Theo meant that it's virtuous to abstain if you're purposely trying to. Just like it would be virtuous to abstain if you were trying to stop smoking, or eating a lot of refined sugar. Virtue can mean "a commendable quality or trait," and in that instance it would be willpower or perseverance.


Theodosia - Sep 13, 2013 7:20:15 am PDT #5143 of 30000
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I meant rewarding virtue as in giving the recovering alcoholics a nice present if the drink chips are useless to them. (And it might as well also be offered to anyone who'd rather have a gift certificate than a drink.)

I rarely drink alcohol, most of it tastes awful to me -- I don't refrain from any sense of 'virtue.'


P.M. Marc - Sep 13, 2013 8:12:45 am PDT #5144 of 30000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I still find the use of virtue to describe it as problematic. I don't think my sister not drinking is especially virtuous. It just means she's been able to maintain her sobriety, more or less, like a diabetic who is controlling their blood sugar levels.

While I know this was not your intent, I think framing it as a virtue trivializes addiction.


Theodosia - Sep 13, 2013 8:18:10 am PDT #5145 of 30000
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I should have put quotes around the word the first time. It was meant in an air-quotes sense.


shrift - Sep 13, 2013 8:23:08 am PDT #5146 of 30000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

I got back from Kitchener-Waterloo late last night thanks to weather on the east coast delaying aircraft. Air Canada kept moving me from gate to gate to gate, so I bought duty free maple fudge and Cadbury as retail therapy.

Because I woke up feeling kind of terrible, I decided to work from home today since I don't have any meetings I need to attend in person (after three and a half days of nonstop meetings). I'm also waiting for UPS to deliver a package that they claim I need to sign for. UPS still not here. I am struggling to stay awake.


§ ita § - Sep 13, 2013 8:55:59 am PDT #5147 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I have a traffic question. It needs pictorial support. Those two red lines are left turn only lanes. The farthest left one, as you're going west, merges into the other one before you merge onto the freeway. Because people are all excited about left turns, it tends to get backed up with cars, and the main lane is much freer.

If you're in the rightmost of those two lanes and you make the left turn and your lane is empty up until the merge point, and the lane beside you is stationary until behind you (including blocking the intersection), what is the correct thing to do?


Hil R. - Sep 13, 2013 9:01:00 am PDT #5148 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I would say you drive up to the merge point, let one car from the other lane go in front of you, then keep going.