What'd you all order a dead guy for?

Jayne ,'The Message'


Natter 72: We Were Unprepared for This  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Steph L. - Sep 09, 2013 5:46:50 pm PDT #4759 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I think you could expand that exhortation to pretty much anyone.


Cass - Sep 09, 2013 6:00:03 pm PDT #4760 of 30000
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Barbara Kingsolver is another writer I've always meant to read and never have.

I tried so hard with her.

"Anything you say will be used against you in a court of law" when they are supposed to mean "anything you say can/may be used against you in a court of law".

The first is so antagonistic to me. The second just sounds more like if you say something, we can run with it. I prefer to think I live in the later. Because I am just that idealistic and delusional.


Kat - Sep 09, 2013 6:00:42 pm PDT #4761 of 30000
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I have a whole THING about Kingsolver. I really loved her early Arizona/NM books. It's gone downhill since then. I did not like Poisonwood Bible. I hated Animal Vegetable Mineral. Lacuna was annoying as shit. And the most recent was meh. Why do I keep reading her work? Because I loved Animal Dreams so much.


Amy - Sep 09, 2013 6:10:17 pm PDT #4762 of 30000
Because books.

I have Animal Dreams! I've just never read it.


Kat - Sep 09, 2013 6:12:03 pm PDT #4763 of 30000
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

That's the only one I'd recommend. I STILL think of that book -- Loyd (with one L only) and genetics and quince. Hell, I should re-read it.


-t - Sep 09, 2013 6:16:05 pm PDT #4764 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

In my head, they used to say "can" on TV, and then someone said "can and will" to sound more macho and now everyone says "will". I don't know if that's accurate, but it's how I reconstruct it in my memory.

Some British murder mystery or other I read ages ago had a police detective musing that it should just be "can be used, yes, against, maybe not", I think that must have been before the "if you fail to disclose something on which you later rely in court your defense will be compromised" that Law & Order UK makes sound so good. If that isn't boilerplate, it's a pretty stylish riff.

BTW, I am SO CONFUSED by barristers who are not Crown Prosecutors prosecuting cases on Silk. I'm going with it, because if there's one thing I know about English law it's that I probably do not know even one thing, not really.


JZ - Sep 09, 2013 6:16:32 pm PDT #4765 of 30000
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Hah! I was just about to say that Kingsolver gets a forever pass from me solely on account of Animal Dreams. There are sentences in that book that I linger over just the memory of, like remembering each amazing sip of a glorious bottle of wine. And the whole thing... mmmm. Brain drunk.


Amy - Sep 09, 2013 6:24:22 pm PDT #4766 of 30000
Because books.

Brain drunk.

Such a great way to put it! I've felt that way about a few books. John Dollar by Marianne Wiggins, Mariette in Ecstasy by Ron Hansen (I think?), and Beloved. Well, and Susanna Moore's early stuff, like The Whiteness of Bones and My Old Sweetheart.


Dana - Sep 09, 2013 6:25:44 pm PDT #4767 of 30000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I am not caught up on Under the Dome, but those characters are so earth-shatteringly stupid.

I am back in Washington for the rest of the week, training my replacement. I didn't realize it would freak me out until I got here. I know, rationally, that I am allowed to leave on Friday, but my hindbrain is in full-on Admiral Ackbar mode.


Ginger - Sep 09, 2013 6:26:53 pm PDT #4768 of 30000
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I am not caught up on Under the Dome, but those characters are so earth-shatteringly stupid.

Spoiler: They do not get less stupid.