(On the other hand, Nuttolene sounds like someone's great-great-aunt)

Steph, my criteria is "Is it sold with the produce at the farmer's market?" Then yes vegetable. If I need to get clearer, I think, do I like it less than cheese and meat? Then yes, probably a vegetable.

Honestly, I think trusting the opposite of whatever all-up-in-your-business-facebook-friend says sounds like the best diet plan ever.

I think I'm going to advocate doing what I recommended for Dana's John Gault (sic) relative, and that's burn it all down. Or perhaps suggest that she gets to have an opinion of your diet when she becomes your primary care physician.

With potatoes & corn, I think it's more that they're prepared in an unhealthy way a lot. But carrots? WTF, they have beta-carotene, which is an essential nutrient! Potassium! Fiber! And not that much sugar, IIRC.

For dinner, I had chicken sausage with roasted broccolini, red bell pepper, carrots, and Brussels sprouts.

For dinner, I had kale, quinoa, tuna, apple, red pepper, and green onion, tossed with lemon and olive oil.

And some chocolate. And scotch with ginger-water.

Man, this new-old job is just not doing it for me. My boss has reviewed a letter I wrote for his signature and given it back to me twice to revise. "Revise" in the sense of "change happy to glad". This is a file I emailed to him. He brings me a hard copy with scribbles on it and I revise one sentence with no substantive change in the meaning and email it back to him. Twice.

I have been a professional in this field since 1994. I have a JD. I can write a fucking letter. WTF is this shit.

Any definition of "vegetable" that's anything other than "food that grows as a plant" will, by necessity, be at least somewhat arbitrary.

And then one can argue about mushrooms.

those are just evil

A whole lot of those old canned fake meat products were eventually bought by Worthington/Loma Linda, who still make a bunch of them. I have no idea who buys them

My uncle LOVES the Fri-Chik.

And then one can argue about mushrooms.

I'm with erin_obscure on the evil. If only because mushrooms + me = anaphylaxis.

Teppy, I have a FB friend who will correct anyone and everyone to understand that corn isn't a vegetable, it's grain. @@@@@@

Consuela, that is ridiculous.

Edited because stupid autocorrect changed Teppy to Reply.

I will point out that classifying foods as starches/carbs, proteins, fats, fruits and veggies is kind of essential to diabetes management. Because while protein and carbs and fat are what foods contain, it is also the case that most foods are primarily a source of one thing or another. For example, fruit is primarily a source of carbs. Not starchy veggies have a high ratio of vitamins and minerals and fiber to calorie containing nutrients. Diabetes management avoids being completely unscientific by referring to exchanges. So corn on the cob is not a "starch" but a "starch exchange", part of a classification system. A lot of other diets borrow from diabetic exchanges but with changed terminology, and often a very problematic relationship to food.