Wait. People? She eats people? 'To Serve Man.' It's 'To Serve Man' all over again.

Gunn ,'Power Play'


Natter 72: We Were Unprepared for This  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


JZ - Nov 25, 2013 3:08:53 pm PST #12917 of 30000
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

The people I'm backing away from aren't even folks I would ever have said were racists, but they are seriously bugging the fuck out over what seems to me a pretty measured (mildly impatient and eyerolling, but all told still measured) response.

One person got nigh hysterical about how "I dressed up as a geisha for Halloween a couple of years ago, so I guess I'm racist now, huh, huh, is that what you're saying?" and it is taking all I've got not to just screencap her post (or possibly the entire thread) and send it to Yo, Is This Racist?

They're good people, generally, but holy fuck are they flipping out like mammals.


Liese S. - Nov 25, 2013 3:17:34 pm PST #12918 of 30000
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Yes, yes I am. I am saying you're a racist now. Fuck you.

Man, I had a really tough, nuanced conversation this summer with a young camper who had appropriated Native American costuming for Halloween in the past. I asked her for details (she'd dressed as a specific person and had tried to include tribal specific design) and explained what she did right and why some people would still find what she did problematic. She was thoughtful, inquisitive, and ultimately apologized. Why can't you be like this bright young woman, all other white people?

Is it hard to be called out on your past mistakes? Of course. Would you have made the mistake if you knew better? Probably not. But learning about it after the fact doesn't make it not your fault or not a problem. It just makes it a problem you now know not to repeat! Handle it with grace.

Sheesh.


Liese S. - Nov 25, 2013 3:22:07 pm PST #12919 of 30000
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

(Also? That was not a fucking kimono. Just saying.)


le nubian - Nov 25, 2013 3:25:29 pm PST #12920 of 30000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

it is taking all I've got not to just screencap her post (or possibly the entire thread) and send it to Yo, Is This Racist?

Yes. Do EEEt.


Hil R. - Nov 25, 2013 3:29:03 pm PST #12921 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Man, I had a really tough, nuanced conversation this summer with a young camper who had appropriated Native American costuming for Halloween in the past. I asked her for details (she'd dressed as a specific person and had tried to include tribal specific design) and explained what she did right and why some people would still find what she did problematic. She was thoughtful, inquisitive, and ultimately apologized. Why can't you be like this bright young woman, all other white people?

There was an article in a local newspaper (local to my parents) about how local schools are celebrating Thanksgiving. Nearly all of them had things like kids dressing up in headdresses with colorful feathers, or choosing Native American names, or stuff like that. Just one of the schools mentioned taking the kids to a exhibit on the Native Americans local to the area, which was run by someone who is part of that tribe.


Nora Deirdre - Nov 25, 2013 4:26:36 pm PST #12922 of 30000
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

Is it hard to be called out on your past mistakes? Of course. Would you have made the mistake if you knew better? Probably not. But learning about it after the fact doesn't make it not your fault or not a problem. It just makes it a problem you now know not to repeat! Handle it with grace.

seriously.

I am amazed how much white people suck at this, in general. It's insane.


-t - Nov 25, 2013 4:32:39 pm PST #12923 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

First batch of Latke-Crusted Turkey Stuffing Fritters With Liquid Cranberry Core has been fried. One didn't get golden brown around the equator, so I made that my sample. Yum. Not sure how they will reheat tomorrow, but hot from the oil = yum.


§ ita § - Nov 25, 2013 4:32:39 pm PST #12924 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Looks right to me

Thank you for making the hard call for my benefit, Hec. I can trust you for that where my skull is concerned.

That's as short as the place can go without straight razor. I guess that's extra money, and definitely extra weight.

I read a conflicting article about appropriation yesterday. I don't know what to make of many of his points, especially the bit where he's mad at straight people appropriating AIDS. If I can see that he's mad that if an AIDS movie has to be made after this long, why does it have to pointedly be about a bigot, isn't it likely that if it was about a gay man by this writer or director it would be appropriating even worse, and whoever did it, some complaint that if you're going to make a big budget movie with gay leads, why does it have to be about AIDS? There are a lot of no win situations in it, and mostly I come away feeling the biggest message is "write what you are AND NOTHING ELSE."

Also there are no allies.

In 180° news, I really really want some oatmeal right now. But it's for breakfast. I can't break the rules and have it now. That way lies chaos.


Cass - Nov 25, 2013 5:23:59 pm PST #12925 of 30000
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Is it hard to be called out on your past mistakes? Of course. Would you have made the mistake if you knew better? Probably not. But learning about it after the fact doesn't make it not your fault or not a problem. It just makes it a problem you now know not to repeat! Handle it with grace.

It's brutal. I mean, honestly, who easily says they flat-out fucked up before they knew different and they're sorry?

Because they might do it differently knowing what they know in this moment but, honestly, they lived in a different snapshot of time.

People make bad choices and we give them a way to move on and be better or we don't.


§ ita § - Nov 25, 2013 7:31:56 pm PST #12926 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Or you could be like Colton Haynes who tacked up his costume more than one Halloween--you can be called out a fucking lot, and then flip the finger at your public and plan someting trivial to you for next year.