dress shoes (typed hoes there at first)

I pictured high class call girls there.

Man, I used to wear heels with sweat pants and I thought I was stylin'

It was the 80s, of course. That may have had something to do with it.

As in denim, or the same shade in any fabric?

Apologies for the delay -- I came back from a meeting to find an emergency.

Same shade, any fabric. And not just with blue jeans, it's any color clothing unless it's a suit. I just don't like the way I look if my casual pants and casual shirt are the same color.

It's called the Zion Curtain

Interesting. Now I'm mentally checking the restaurant/bars I've been in here. One I can't picture it, our table was in full view of the bar, but maybe the other part of the restaurant had an obstructed view. The place I ate last night definitely hid the bar.

I've worn heels with my jeans and definitely black shoes of various styles.

I had a horrible dream last night that someone had broken into my hotel room and was taking my stuff and talking to me about taking my stuff, but I refused to get out of bed to deal. Ummmm. Kinda panic inducing wake up from that one.

more than one person states strongly that men shouldn't wear black shoes (or belt) with blue jeans. I had never even heard of that. Is that supposed to extend to extremely rule-following women as well?

When I'm wearing blue jeans, I try to make my shoes and top coordinate. As in, a predominantly black or grey top gets black shoes, not brown.

Brown shoes can go with virtually any non-black, non-grey top.

Now I'm thinking this is wrong. But I just can't see black sweater, blue jeans...brown shoes. No. Just no.

If that guy had meant suit jackets, I'd have agreed with him in many (male) contexts. Totally not sport coats.

I think I posted here when my great-grand-boss asked for information about what the person he was meeting with was likely to be wearing? I googled some pictures and told my boss "suit but no tie," and she was about to pass along "sport coat," and I was like [slo mo] "NNOOooooooooooooo!!!!" Those are not the same kind of jacket!

I think sports coats are perfectly cromulent with jeans. If that guy had meant suit jackets, I'd have agreed with him in many (male) contexts. Totally not sport coats.

very much agree. I have only one suit jacket. I have multiple other jackets that are clearly not as formal. Men have similar things, they're just a tiny bit harder to tell apart.

And no black shoes with jeans? Wtf?? Why not? That doesn't make any sense.

Today I am stealing my favourite boy fashion rule: "It's all okay if your belt matches your shoes." I had been aiming for black jeans and top (breaking Franken's rule (I hope your emergency unemerged)) with black belt with pink flowers and pink shoes, but unfortunately the black jeans failed me.

Definitely not as happy with blue jeans, but then I remember how much I love the little pink flowers on the slightly kimonoesque belt, and I can get pleasure out of that.

I don't have many brown shoes (this is as close as I get, casually) and I have to grit my teeth and repeat "neutral, neutral, neutral" but it barely works.

I'm with Steph on how to coordinate around jeans. Brown with black is tricky and must be evaluated on a case by case basis.

Brown with black is tricky and must be evaluated on a case by case basis.

I deal with this by never wearing brown at all.