Fred: So you don't worry that it's possible for someone to send out a biological or electronic trigger that effectively overrides your own sense of ideals and values and replaces them with an alternative coercive agenda that reduces you to a mindless meat puppet? Shopkeeper: Wow. People used to think that I was paranoid.

'Time Bomb'


Spike's Bitches 48: I Say, We Go Out There, and Kick a Little Demon Ass.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Scrappy - Oct 29, 2014 6:41:15 pm PDT #14151 of 30002
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Jason got an aisle seat and he is off to faraway lands. Whew!


Burrell - Oct 29, 2014 8:52:53 pm PDT #14152 of 30002
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I totally freaked out my students today by saying, "There isn't any rule or set of steps to follow here. You just have to look at each individual problem and figure out what's happening."

As far as I can tell, this is now also true of the math my daughter is being taught. Concepts are implied, but no formulas are given. Children are expected to intuit and/or reason out mathematical concepts and are not given formulas beforehand to plug into the problems and figure out the answer.


DebetEsse - Oct 29, 2014 9:22:29 pm PDT #14153 of 30002
Woe to the fucking wicked.

not given formulas beforehand

I think this is a really good thing. Understanding WHY something works makes you not only more able to figure out when to use it, but also to figure out if you answer makes sense and trouble-shoot if it doesn't.


DavidS - Oct 29, 2014 9:31:08 pm PDT #14154 of 30002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I think this is a really good thing.

This is the whole issue with Common Core, and indeed every attempt at reforming math education in the USA. The problem is that this method of teaching hasn't been taught and supported to the educators and so (I can vouch) it's very stressful on the students (aka, Matilda).

Theoretically this is how you want to teach math. In reality, the teachers get thrown out with poorly designed materials and little support and the kids FLIP OUT. (cf., Louis CK's rant on this subject.)


Laura - Oct 30, 2014 4:21:27 am PDT #14155 of 30002
Our wings are not tired.

I suffered with lack of mathiness in college. Memorized, memorized, memorized. I spent 12-15 hours a week studying and going over the same stuff repeatedly. Although I got straight As, I never knew how I did on a test until it was returned because I had absolutely no understanding of what I was doing. The professor thought it was funny how I would hang out to see how I did when I always had such great grades. I had no way of knowing how I did.

And people think I am mathy! My kids are better off than me that way, apparently they got their dad's math sense.

I don't know if being taught differently early on would have helped, but that ship has sailed.


DebetEsse - Oct 30, 2014 6:36:38 am PDT #14156 of 30002
Woe to the fucking wicked.

A lot of teachers don't, themselves, really understand the math, especially at the lower el levels (I know our Aims to be an exception to this, and have met some others). It's basically impossible to teach a proper understanding of math you don't, yourself, understand.


tommyrot - Oct 30, 2014 7:37:07 am PDT #14157 of 30002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

The weird thing about calculus for me (and some others) is when I was studying it, all of a sudden it just clicked in my brain and made perfect sense. This happened to me for both differential and integral calculus.

I'm guessing this never happens for some people. I don't know what teaching methods could be used to get more students to have this understanding.


Burrell - Oct 30, 2014 7:42:54 am PDT #14158 of 30002
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I don't think throwing the kids into the deep end of the math pool without teaching them the concepts first is necessarily a good thing, nor do I think rote memorization and drilling is necessarily a good thing, much less a better thing. I kind of wish the US would learn the value of a pragmatic approach to pedagogy rather than adherence to an ideological principle. Actually, not just in math, in a great many realms I think the US would be better off if we didn't try to be so ideologically rigid.

If I were trying to teach CC I would spend a day going over concepts and formulas and give the class exercises where the expectations were clear, and explain the answers. The next day I'd give them the problem sets that apply those concepts and let them try out the "sink or swim" approach. It seems pretty challenging to me to expect students to, at least in the 6th grade curriculum, intuit concepts like the formula for calculating the area of 3 dimensional object, or that they can solve a certain problem by multiplying both sides of the equation by the same amount.


meara - Oct 30, 2014 8:34:21 am PDT #14159 of 30002

Yeah, the "intuit the answer" approach just pissed me off when they tried it in our physics class. I'd totally go for Burrell's approach, but otherwise you end up with people "intuiting" the wrong answer and not remembering whether the right way was their guess, someone else's, or some other thing entirely.


Burrell - Oct 30, 2014 8:39:26 am PDT #14160 of 30002
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I'm also cranky right now because my daughter is flailing in her math class, so my comments should be read with that in mind. As her teacher has told me more than once, other kids are getting the concepts just fine and doing just fine. My kid is CLEARLY the problem here, not his teaching methods. (Grrr)