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Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Nov 09, 2012 7:06:27 am PST #77 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

More on this from Breitbart:

Exclusive - Inside Orca: How the Romney Campaign Suppressed Its Own Vote

As Republicans try to explain their Election Day losses in terms of policy, tactics, and strategy, one factor is emerging as the essential difference between the Obama and Romney campaigns on November 6: the absolute failure of Romney’s get-out-the-vote effort, which underperformed even John McCain’s lackluster 2008 turnout. One culprit appears to be “Orca,” the Romney’s massive technology effort, which failed completely.

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Before the election, there was much fear-mongering on the Democratic side about the Republicans’ supposed plans to suppress turnout among Obama voters. After the election, GOP strategist Karl Rove accused the Obama campaign of “suppressing the vote” by running a negative campaign against Romney that kept voters at home.

The truth is much worse. There was, in fact, massive suppression of the Republican vote--by the Romney campaign, through the diversion of nearly 40,000 volunteers to a failing computer program.

There was no Plan B; there was only confusion, and silence.


Amy - Nov 09, 2012 7:13:05 am PST #78 of 30001
Because books.

My Google-fu is failing me. Would any of our librarians or otherwise smart people like to look for links to what would happen if the global economy collapsed completely? (It's for a book idea.) Not the big political stuff, the everyday details of how Average Person's life would change.

I found a couple of pieces online, but they're vague about those details. My only real reference is something like The Stand or Dawn of the Dead, and in that case services fail because everyone's dying (or coming back to life violently). If it was a strictly economic collapse, I'm wondering how long services would be viable -- would the government seize control of the utilities? Would there still be school for kids? Stuff like that.

Help, please?


tommyrot - Nov 09, 2012 7:16:35 am PST #79 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

My Google-fu is failing me. Would any of our librarians or otherwise smart people like to look for links to what would happen if the global economy collapsed completely? (It's for a book idea.) Not the big political stuff, the everyday details of how Average Person's life would change.

Maybe nobody knows exactly what would happen. And it would depend on how the global economy collapsed (where it started, how fast of a collapse, etc).

I hope I'm wrong and someone will find useful info for you.


askye - Nov 09, 2012 7:23:34 am PST #80 of 30001
Thrive to spite them

So there's a small energizer plant in my small town - it employees 165 people which is pretty big. It's closing down, according to the boston.com article, it's because people aren't buying the batteries that are made there.

But on the FB page of our local newspaper one of the employees said all the jobs are moving to Singapore and the employees here trained their replacements. I haven't read the full local newspaper article (the big stories aren't online) but it really sucks if that's what happened.


Dana - Nov 09, 2012 7:24:32 am PST #81 of 30001
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

Came across this blog post this morning: [link] It's a GOP volunteer who was supposed to be on the GOTV team, talking about what a debacle election day was.

I have to say, in a lot of ways that reminds me of what working for the government is like.


tommyrot - Nov 09, 2012 7:26:34 am PST #82 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I have to say, in a lot of ways that reminds me of what working for the government is like.

You'd think Romney would know the government is the problem, not something to be emulated.


Consuela - Nov 09, 2012 8:11:35 am PST #83 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I have to say, in a lot of ways that reminds me of what working for the government is like.

Heh. Except IME nothing gets put into implementation until it's been tested to death. That's why my computer is so slow and behind the curve (still on IE 7, oh yes): they are extremely conservative with big implementation projects, and it takes forever to get through the design/contract/build process.

I'm not saying the system, once implemented, is all that awesome, but it's at least been tested.


Jessica - Nov 09, 2012 8:22:05 am PST #84 of 30001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

IME nothing gets put into implementation until it's been tested to death. That's why my computer is so slow and behind the curve (still on IE 7, oh yes)

My company prides itself on having "military-grade" security, which is apparently why we are still running WinXP and IE 8.

Fortunately our local IT team is very understanding, which is why I'm also running Chrome.


Jesse - Nov 09, 2012 8:24:06 am PST #85 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Motherfucker -- the UPS website says they tried to deliver my coffee table, but of course no one rang my bell, and there is no note on my door. I'm on the phone with them now, but COME ON.


Ginger - Nov 09, 2012 8:44:23 am PST #86 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Amy, I've been doing considerable research on the subject, since I've come to believe I could write a better post- apocalypse novel (without zombies)than many other there now. Most of them don't think through the subject on so many levels, and they so often act as if we went back to 18th century technology, we'd also go back to 18th century social norms. Fat chance.

The peak oil people has worked out some scenarios, although the argument for the end of oil is laughable. The Long Emergency by peak-old guru James Howard Kunstler includes some possibilities, but are unnecessarily pessimistic.

There are a few novels that deal with survival for ordinary families, sans zombies and sadistic warlords. The best recent ones I know are Susan Beth Pfeffer's Life As We Knew It trilogy. There are a million survivalist sites that touch on aspects of this. Maybe someone more accounting-oriented can come up with possible ways for the economy to collapse. There are a lot of crazy conspiracy theories about how it could happen, but I haven't found many sane ones.

I'd be happy to kick so ideas around, since I'm doing it anyway.