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Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Liese S. - Dec 14, 2012 10:32:43 am PST #4517 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Was buzzed in with the rifle?


Jessica - Dec 14, 2012 10:32:52 am PST #4518 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

How does one describe someone capable of this?

I think until we know more, "evil" will pretty much cover it. No need to speculate on his mental state beyond that.


DavidS - Dec 14, 2012 10:34:49 am PST #4519 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

apparently the shooter's girlfriend and another friend are missing.

Jesus.

My armchair psychology suggests a narcissistic personality disorder. Somebody who feels entitled to take his wounding out on the world.


DavidS - Dec 14, 2012 10:35:21 am PST #4520 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Was buzzed in with the rifle?

Could've been under a long coat?


Steph L. - Dec 14, 2012 10:38:29 am PST #4521 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

This is the kind of gun he used.

He bought it legally.

But gun control is a bad thing. Ungoddamnbelievable.

How does one describe someone capable of this?

I think until we know more, "evil" will pretty much cover it. No need to speculate on his mental state beyond that.

Yup. You don't have to be clinically, diagnosably mentally ill to be evil. You just have to be evil.


DavidS - Dec 14, 2012 10:40:26 am PST #4522 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Was buzzed in with the rifle?

Now I'm seeing that the rifle was found in his car. So he took two pistols into the school.


DavidS - Dec 14, 2012 10:47:03 am PST #4523 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Interesting summary of the criminal psychology research that's been done on rampage violence.

“The pseudocommando is a type of mass murderer who kills in public during the daytime, plans his offense well in advance, and comes prepared with a powerful arsenal of weapons. He has no escape planned and expects to be killed during the incident. Research suggests that the pseudocommando is driven by strong feelings of anger and resentment, flowing from beliefs about being persecuted or grossly mistreated. He views himself as carrying out a highly personal agenda of payback. It is argued that revenge fantasies become the last refuge for the pseudocommando’s mortally wounded self-esteem and ultimately enable him to commit mass murder-suicide.” (Journal of American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law, March 2010)


brenda m - Dec 14, 2012 10:47:07 am PST #4524 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

but what REALLY needs to be done is that Americans need to be taught that you do not have tantrums and resort to violence when you do not like the way things are going. I truly believe it is this one thing that results in so much more gun violence here even though other countries have similar gun ownership numbers. It's a weird cultural thing.

I recall some years ago reading an interesting discussion of the kind of dynamic involved. In that case it was in the context of contrasting this type of mass shooting with the "urban gun violence" attributed mostly to black inner city youth. The argument came down to entitlement - that you see this kind of shooting from someone raised with an expectation that the world owes them something and so when they are not the rich happy successful whatever they lash out at the world.

The context of that argument was why you never see this specific kind of thing being perpetrated by poor black kids - because they never have that expectation and entitlement in the first place. It's almost always white suburban kids.

That was a long time ago and I've forgotten the details, but it makes a certain intuitive sense to me.


DavidS - Dec 14, 2012 10:48:23 am PST #4525 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

The study I just cited, brenda, supports that reading.


sj - Dec 14, 2012 10:50:48 am PST #4526 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

“The pseudocommando is a type of mass murderer who kills in public during the daytime, plans his offense well in advance, and comes prepared with a powerful arsenal of weapons. He has no escape planned and expects to be killed during the incident. Research suggests that the pseudocommando is driven by strong feelings of anger and resentment, flowing from beliefs about being persecuted or grossly mistreated. He views himself as carrying out a highly personal agenda of payback. It is argued that revenge fantasies become the last refuge for the pseudocommando’s mortally wounded self-esteem and ultimately enable him to commit mass murder-suicide.” (Journal of American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law, March 2010)

Interesting. This theory makes more sense to me wrt teenagers killing fellow classmates that they feel have wronged them in some way, but to take out a classroom of little kids because you're angry at your parents? I cannot comprehend that.