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Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


msbelle - Dec 14, 2012 10:07:54 am PST #4499 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

One person said "It's not gun control we need, it's mental health control", which is a glib way of saying what I'm thinking.

well the country does nees better mental health control, but what REALLY needs to be done is that Americans need to be taught that you do not have tantrums and resort to violence when you do not like the way things are going. I truly believe it is this one thing that results in so much more gun violence here even though other countries have similar gun ownership numbers. It's a weird cultural thing.


Amy - Dec 14, 2012 10:12:52 am PST #4500 of 30001
Because books.

I also think if someone is determined to carry out something like this, no gun laws or mental health checks are going to help much. The number of people who do this sort of thing is still tiny, although it doesn't seem like it when it's all over the news.

And the guy in China stabbed those kids today. So making guns unavailable wouldn't solve everything, in every instance.


DavidS - Dec 14, 2012 10:13:38 am PST #4501 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

This is the kind of gun he used.

He bought it legally.


le nubian - Dec 14, 2012 10:13:48 am PST #4502 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I think that people believe that it takes someone mentally ill to kill more than two dozen people, most of them little kids. Otherwise, how do you explain how someone could do such a terrible thing? The little kids couldn't have made the person fear for his life, so mental illness could be a factor.

How do you explain the unexplainable?

I believe we need much better mental health care and I actually think that if it were as widely available as OTC drugs, we probably would see the rates of this (and other forms of violence) diminish. But I'm a dirty hippie and want better healthcare period.

Specific to this issue, I don't think there are enough healthy outlets for disappointment, rage, anger and this is what a small portion of the population decide to do. What makes this deadly though are easy access to assault weapons.

That said, it would be nice to have a good discussion of what would prevent these deaths because life is going to get more stressful, not less.


DavidS - Dec 14, 2012 10:14:20 am PST #4503 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

So making guns unavailable wouldn't solve everything, in every instance.

It's a lot easier to stop one guy with a knife, than a guy with an assault weapon.


le nubian - Dec 14, 2012 10:14:29 am PST #4504 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Amy, but what people point out is that no one died in China. So availability of heavy duty killing machines may have made this incident more deadly.


Jessica - Dec 14, 2012 10:17:30 am PST #4505 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I think that people believe that it takes someone mentally ill to kill more than two dozen people, most of them little kids. Otherwise, how do you explain how someone could do such a terrible thing?

Believe me, I get this. But propagating the stereotype of the mentally ill as violent criminals who need to be controlled is not the answer, which is all that line of thinking does in the end.


le nubian - Dec 14, 2012 10:17:32 am PST #4506 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

BTW, the shooter's brother is being held for questioning and possibility he was a 2nd shooter.


le nubian - Dec 14, 2012 10:18:05 am PST #4507 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Jessica,

I know it. I know it.


Amy - Dec 14, 2012 10:18:29 am PST #4508 of 30001
Because books.

Oh, I know that. And I wish there were more stringent laws about gun purchase and permits to carry and all that. My point was that if someone is going to act out, there are a thousand ways to do it.