Wash: Little River just gets more colorful by the moment. What'll she do next? Zoe: Either blow us all up or rub soup in our hair. It's a toss-up. Wash: I hope she does the soup thing. It's always a hoot, and we don't all die from it.

'Objects In Space'


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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Laura - Nov 11, 2012 4:57:39 am PST #395 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Damn, ita !, what has the neurologist said about the refusal to follow his prescribed regimen in the past? What is his relationship in the hospital/ER powers that be hierarchy? If your treatment can only be administered in the ER would it possibly have more likelihood of being successfully administered on a weekday, perhaps in the evening, thus avoiding weekend staff?

Sorry, more questions than answers, but just trying to explore potential solutions. It is so insane to have to deal with the pain and the bureaucracy at the same time.


§ ita § - Nov 11, 2012 5:57:02 am PST #396 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I've heard zero from the neurologist in the past couple visits. I need to check and see when the next appointment is.

Now, the ER doc came in and said it would be one dose, gave me the dose, and then discharged me. Instead of signing those papers I said I would like my pain treated, and whatever they needed to do to get me going was fine, but I'm not leaving until then.

She left and came back and told me I'd be admitted, but no IV pain meds there either. At which point I wrote the above email.

The admitting doctor just left. She, like the resident I just saw, is new to me. She took my history, AND THEN SAID SHE'D GIVE ME THE RECOMMENDED DOSAGES WITHIN THE EFFECTIVE TIME PERIOD.

Why did the ER resident tell me that wouldn't happen? Why did she come back and tell me a doctor had decided on a course of treatment for me without talking to me and assessing me her herself?

I don't know. But I have no flattering way to describe that. At best it seems mildly spiteful behaviour to put drugseekers in their place. Sometimes the second doctor does do what the first said they would. Sometimes they don't. But I was clear to the ER doc--I'm just here to get back on my feet, and whatever effective breakthrough treatment they have is fine by me.

I don't feel I overreacted by sending that email to my neuro/migraine specialist. The way the doctors in the ER are acting should be on record--being admitted more often than not is ridiculous--no one is treating me, then. They're just reading off a piece of paper, and I don't know where that paper came from.

So, flat out, that's it.. I'm here, each time, until they do a good faith effort (based on doctor recommendation and information in the file) to help my pain. I know it doesn't always work well. But it pretty much *never* works if you don't try. That's why I'm here. The graham crackers are good, but overpriced.

I don't think the weekday would be any better, and this day gives me the most work days in good condition. I get about 5 days of good behaviour out of this, so I have to start that as late as possible. But I also can't always work (certainly can't drive) for 6 or so hours after being discharged.


Amy - Nov 11, 2012 6:01:39 am PST #397 of 30001
Because books.

ita, I think it might be worth contacting the social worker at the hospital again, just to have someone who's supposed to be advocating for you aware of what's going on.


Laura - Nov 11, 2012 6:05:04 am PST #398 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

I don't feel I overreacted by sending that email to my neuro/migraine specialist.

Not at all! Not knowing what kind of ordeal you will have to endure each week is not acceptable. A solution that does not involve having to go to the ER each week would be much better, but if that is the protocol at the moment then the treatment needs to be consistent. I hope the doctor has some thoughts on compelling the ER to follow his orders.


Jesse - Nov 11, 2012 6:05:58 am PST #399 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

You definitely did not overreact -- this is appalling.


JZ - Nov 11, 2012 6:08:13 am PST #400 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

ita !, I would incorporate some of what Laura mentioned, about their refusal to follow the regimen your neuro has prescribed and explained in exhaustive detail, and also mention their consistent refusal, when they have all the neuro's contact information, to call and discuss your history, your regimen and his recommendations instead of simply privileging their own judgment over all that history.

They've consistently, profoundly disrespected his judgment and experience as a physician. Their refusal to follow his prescribed regimen or to question him directly about it rendered the Botox trial useless. Their actions have materially increased your physical suffering and are now endangering your livelihood; do they think you made him up? Do they think he's a weak-willed patsy to a cunning drug-seeker, or do they just think he's an idiot?

(eta: So some of them, sometimes, follow his recs to the letter, but that still isn't good enough. It's torture to you to not know which it's going to be until the moment it happens or doesn't happen, and it's still deeply insulting to him to have the respect accorded his knowledge of you and your history entirely dependent on who happens to be on call at the moment you walk in.)

Most of the doctors I know would be (and have been; it's happened before) livid at another medical team on whose cooperation they depend so thoroughly undermining their medical plan for their patients and endangering their patients' wellbeing (and their own standing in the community). If you can get your neuro good and pissed and spoiling for a righteous evidence-based fight with them on his own behalf as well as yours, it should end up helping you.

Mind, I totally and completely think the absolute most important thing is that you're in intractable pain that SHOULD NOT BE intractable, and your neuro's professional reputation is extremely small potatoes compared to your pain. But if those small potatoes can get a righteous fire lit under his ass, then use 'em.


Connie Neil - Nov 11, 2012 6:27:42 am PST #401 of 30001
brillig

re: Petraeus, anymore I find standard adultery unsurprising. Too many powerful people through history have had lovers for me to be outraged. The secrecy and liability to blackmail, however, is the sticking point.


askye - Nov 11, 2012 6:29:29 am PST #402 of 30001
Thrive to spite them

ita, I would be as detailed as possible when you write your email to your doctor. Write out his prescribed treatment, include the dates and times and names (if you can) of the doctors, residents, and nurses who have refused to follow his treatment plan. Be really detailed about how this is effecting your life, I'd include everything JZ said. Then email it not only to your doctor, but to the hospital social worker, and the hospital ombudsman if they have one or anyone else who deals with patient relations in the hospital.


Strix - Nov 11, 2012 6:44:00 am PST #403 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

What JZ and askye said. You need an advocate, dammit. It's almost impossible to be proactive when you're in pain, and when it's not something visible, doctors sometimes treat like like you're talking about seeing a fucking alien: "Oh, your head hurts? Isn't that cute? Having some extra-strength Tylenol!"

I have complete empathy(although your sitch is way worse than mine, with the "Oh, insomnia! Everyone has bad nights! Oh, gosh, 10 mgs of Ambien would knock ANYONE out! You must be drug-seeking!" No, bitches, it fucking doesn't. I am SLEEP and sanity seeking.)

Connie, ITA. Infidelity, while I frown at betraying a spouse (but hey, if you have an open marriage, whatevs!) is one thing, and kind of just a "Well, you're a asshole" but doing it -- kind of badly -- as the head of a freaking SPY network just seems sadly incompetent.


Theodosia - Nov 11, 2012 6:55:14 am PST #404 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

What I find entirely non-coincidental is Petraeus's resignation immediately following the election. By coming to light then it didn't impact the election, and also hit the newscycle when political reporters were already exhausted and/or busy with their post-election analyses.