I don't know about you guys, but I've had it with super-strong little women who aren't me.

Buffy ,'Get It Done'


Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Cass - Nov 22, 2012 8:04:25 pm PST #1849 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I hope it all goes okay in the end, Suela. And I get wanting sibs to take over some and understand how awful and stressful it can all be. Because it is and people don't understand it until they live some of it.

Humanity jumped the shark for me when I learnt how complicit everyone could be in the systematic oppression of everyone else--whether it was through malice, shortsightedness, oppression of themselves...we're all pretty awful.

Yeah, realizing this was upsetting. I shall henceforth call it humanity jumping the shark. Since I didn't realize the Native Americans owning slaves, I'll add that to the list.

Bandicoots are real things?!? Why are all of the words that I didn't realize referred to actual animals Australians. Puggles, bandicoots...


DavidS - Nov 22, 2012 8:05:33 pm PST #1850 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I did not know that Native Americans kept black slaves. Was this common?

I don't think it was common and I think it only happened fairly late in the history of slavery. Because before that slaves frequently ran away to the west and often became absorbed into Indian tribes. Which is why you get things like Black Seminoles. And also why most African Americans today have some Native American blood.


Trudy Booth - Nov 22, 2012 8:12:09 pm PST #1851 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Holocaust survivors who'd settled in South Africa and were cool with apartheid -- that is when humanity jumped the shark for me.

They were relatives of a friend. I was about 14. Something in my brain shorted-out.


sarameg - Nov 22, 2012 8:35:56 pm PST #1852 of 30001

I got folded into MFNlaw's family for TG, and it was awesome. I ended up talking to her mom for a long while and I suppose it should come as no surprise that she and I could talk as easily as Maria and I. Heh.

Now I just have to hope my cats let M sleep in. They came back downstairs when I did, but I expect all bets are off when I go up to bed. They were enthralled with a human in the spare bed!

I have no idea how I'm still upright and not loopy. We'll call it good food and company. Sure, I don't follow the bursts of italian and spanish , but the tone is all right there. Very thankful for them taking me in today.


Kat - Nov 23, 2012 2:50:04 am PST #1853 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

ARGH. I have been up since 3. K left for Zion about an hour ago and I'm already tired. I should go back to bed, but am feeling hopeless at the thought of falling asleep and being woken again.


Jesse - Nov 23, 2012 3:24:35 am PST #1854 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Easy to say from where I'm standing, but DO IT. I mean, seriously--you're here on hand for all of this drama and trauma, and I'd totally get if my sister just threw her hands up in the air and went incommunicado for a while.
Yeah, I know. Life is rarely practical that way. But it would be nice.

What ita said. Good luck, Suela. If nothing else, Monday will come.

You can leave the house, right, Juliebird? Go to the movies. Or whatever.


Jesse - Nov 23, 2012 3:33:33 am PST #1855 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Drat, the one today-only special from Lands End I was going to get is already sold out.

ION, I'm going to hang out with my mom! My dad is going to his day program, and she has the day off work, so I'm sure she feels like she's playing hooky, but I don't know when we last spent time just the two of us. It will be nice! I continue to be thankful that I like my family.


brenda m - Nov 23, 2012 4:19:08 am PST #1856 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

We are just getting ready to go do Thanksgiving.


Theodosia - Nov 23, 2012 4:37:10 am PST #1857 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I'll be off to PA for combination cleaning-Mom's-out AND bonus salvaging-destroyed-Shore-house -- if I am allowed to come out to the island (they're very finicky about who and how many are allowed in at a time). Otherwise I stay back in PA and manage on my own....


Theodosia - Nov 23, 2012 4:44:19 am PST #1858 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Cereal: 'Suela, when my Mom was being obstreperous, it was AMAZING how much better she responded to my brothers than me. With Women Of A Certain Era, there's more of a habit of compliance when a Guy Says It.

Seriously, my brothers kept wondering why I was complaining that I couldn't get Mom to take her meds, et cetera, because THEY never had a problem, at least until they were hanging out and saw how she was responding....

If you have to pretend you have a headache and go sit out in a coffee shop for a couple hours, it may save a life or two, or at least give a possibility that your mom won't get wound up and diffuse a potential explosion.