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Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

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Steph L. - Mar 26, 2013 6:45:19 am PDT #16074 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I would say that if the Supremes dismiss the Prop 8 case on standing, then they are unlikely to get to the merits on DOMA if they can avoid it.

So I interpreted that correctly. Well, that blows. I mean, it would be good that the 9th Circuit ruling on Prop. 8 would stand, but if this means that SCOTUS doesn't want to rule on DOMA, that blows.

t edited for verb tense


meara - Mar 26, 2013 6:53:48 am PDT #16075 of 30001

Ugh--why would they TAKE DOMA unless they want to say something about it? So weird.


Connie Neil - Mar 26, 2013 6:56:42 am PDT #16076 of 30001
brillig

Sounds like the best option for a conservative court and GOP handlers who don't want the bad publicity of ruling against a popular stand.

edit: ie, saying "No, that's not really a matter for the Supremes."

DOMA is a federal law and they may have to be more definitive about dealing with it, rather than ruling on a state law.


sumi - Mar 26, 2013 7:00:27 am PDT #16077 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Norwegian Fjord Horses with extra cool haircuts.

(Mane-cuts. . . trimmed or roached manes.)


Sue - Mar 26, 2013 7:01:02 am PDT #16078 of 30001
hip deep in pie

San Franciscans! My good friend and her hubs are going to be in your city next week. Any suggestions of things to do, see, eat and shop? They like beer, crafty things, books, history and her DH likes baseball. (I know they are doing a Napa tour one day, and they are going to an A's game. Alcatraz is on the list and they are planning to get a city pass.)


Sparky1 - Mar 26, 2013 7:01:51 am PDT #16079 of 30001
Librarian Warlord

Correction: If they dismiss the prop 8 case, the 9th Cir case would be vacated, but he district court decision would remain in place (it invalidated prop 8).

unless they can't reach a majority, and then the 9th cir decision stands . . .

Procedure matters!


§ ita § - Mar 26, 2013 7:03:50 am PDT #16080 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

This [link] is interesting--I didn't know that FB advertisers can pick specifically which users to advertise to, like "all of my current patients" for instance.


Consuela - Mar 26, 2013 7:03:59 am PDT #16081 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

DOMA is a federal law and they may have to be more definitive about dealing with it, rather than ruling on a state law

Yeah, the problem with DOMA is that, IIRC, there is a split in the district courts on its constitutionality. So there's justification for taking it, and I don't know about any problems with standing, but given sufficient incentive I'm sure the Supremes can come up with an argument for not getting to the merits.

I do think they could invalidate DOMA without getting to the merits by finding it a violation of the full faith and credit clause, which has always been a weakness. But given how reluctant they are to address Prop 8, that seems unlikely.


Consuela - Mar 26, 2013 7:06:18 am PDT #16082 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Procedure matters!

Yes, except in either instance they end up with an invalidated Prop 8. Finding no standing gives you a broader ruling based on the Walker decision, though, compared with the 9th Circuit decision, which was all about taking away a right that had been previously granted.

So I think this is good news for California, almost any way it turns out, but the ramifications outside the state will vary, depending.


Sparky1 - Mar 26, 2013 7:08:04 am PDT #16083 of 30001
Librarian Warlord

The standing problems with the DOMA case were briefed (at the request of the court) by a professor from Harvard, and are much more complex (because you have two entities who want to be "the gov't" in the case).

Ms. Jackson filed her brief in late January. In it, she argues that BLAG does not have a right to appear in court to defend DOMA because even the full Congress wouldn’t have the right to do so. But even if Congress did, she adds, that still wouldn’t be enough for BLAG, because only Congress – not BLAG – would be injured by the Obama administration’s failure to enforce the statute. Moreover, the Court can’t review the case for the additional reason that the federal government agreed with both Ms. Windsor and the lower court decision that it is now asking the Court to review, and so the case lacks the kind of “case or controversy” that the Constitution requires for the courts to rule.