Dawn: You're not fleeing. You're... moving at a brisk pace. Buffy: Quaintly referred to in some cultures as the Big Scaredy Run Away.

'Touched'


Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


DavidS - Nov 19, 2012 7:05:59 pm PST #1536 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I see both generational and regional differences around race with my kids. But I grew up in the sixties and in South Florida, and I do remember driving through the south and seeing racially segregated water fountains and such when I was young.

But for Emmett and Matilda they just grew up with a very different framework for thinking about race. Mostly they're sort of shocked and puzzled by the more virulent shades of racism. Also, it's a little anomalous for Emmett because since he's growing up in the East Bay he sees more interracial marriages than almost anywhere else in the country.

I think every black kid Emmett's ever played with on a baseball team was biracial. Racial distinctions seem a bit more arbitary in that environment. Maybe it's a bit like Hawaiian Hapa culture? I'm not sure. But it's not much like growing up in Florida in the 70s.

I guess the main thing I see for them is that race is not a marker of Other, but just of distinction. Especially around the Bay Area where it's not just Black/White, but also a wide variety of Asian, and Hispanic and Indian and Middle Eastern.

Like, Matilda was totally excited to have her teacher Ms. Ekta bling her out with a bindi for Diwali. It's different and interesting but not completely exoticized because you're around it so much more.


Connie Neil - Nov 19, 2012 7:28:21 pm PST #1537 of 30001
brillig

When all the ice cream you know is vanilla, strawberry is exotic. But when you're surrounded by mango and tutti-frutti and chocolate mocha almond ripple, what's a little guava but just another flavor?


shrift - Nov 19, 2012 7:28:29 pm PST #1538 of 30001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Hey, I read that Batman series of comics.

No Man's Land!


Connie Neil - Nov 19, 2012 7:29:50 pm PST #1539 of 30001
brillig

No Man's Land!

I remember the issue with the public access TV guy who was still broadcasting, and the one with Superman realizing there really wasn't anything he could do to make a real difference.


§ ita § - Nov 19, 2012 7:46:44 pm PST #1540 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I was just hunting for the Jamaican racial demographics, and I think most interestingly of all, the racial breakdown is not currently in the main Wikipedia article, nor in the "Demographics of Jamaica" article. Where, you'd think...nope, only in Peoples¹.

The general proportions in the main article indicate that we self-identify by nationality where I guess they're implying Americans would say they're mixed--it's not one of Wikipedia's clearest sentences, over-citation to boot. But, when presented with the option of African-Jamaican or anything more granular than 1 adjective, it's the answer I'd have predicted.

Completely unrelatedly I looked up at my TiVo and noticed nothing was recording, , so I had to see how bad Mondays were and...2 Broke Girls again. It's amazing how blatant they are about substituting sexual references (at least 2 erections so far and one mention of anal sex that sounded like a callback (um, NPI, just in case). But some of it is so awkward that I can't even diagram it. I mean, you go to first break on "Yeah, definitely anal" and your second shot is "I'm very good at manipulating the young boys--I once got a ten year old I was babysitting to buy me pop tarts with his allowance." There's a laugh track and everything but...nope, I poke at it, but I don't see where it goes.

Then again--I think I did see a Streisand movie called The Guilt Trip" which has clearly had an entendre surgically removed.

Oh, wait! More sexual references without context. Then an completely incomprehensible bit of Amish emoting and a cat.

And Community has 13 more episodes to live. I just...life is majorly unjust.


DebetEsse - Nov 19, 2012 7:56:53 pm PST #1541 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I have been in scenarios where saying "Okay, but when you're standing here, where you're standing is white." will not get me beat up, but I was pretty much walking a fine line there. Because race is so much more subjective and less rigourously definable than, say, sex, I'm totally fascinated with what any of it feels like, but of course I will never know, and can't compare it to me, because I can't tell part of my psyche from the rest of it either.

Yeah, that makes sense (although it took me a couple times through, and I must disclaim that gender--note difference in terminology--is as fraught, albeit mostly for a smaller population). I will totally cop to white girl baggage, and am afraid that I am totally unequipped to comment on the representativeness of anyone's experience because I am regularly reminded that my perspectives are pretty damn unusual for people with my demographics.


javachik - Nov 19, 2012 9:11:21 pm PST #1542 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

All I know is that the other day on twitter when I bemoaned "white chocolate" as being gross, a number of my black (male) tweeps immediately let me know that that was their nickname for me.

I was flattered and honored, but now I can only think of myself as a waxy gross piece of indelible chemical tasting crap.


meara - Nov 19, 2012 9:30:13 pm PST #1543 of 30001

Hah! I agree about the actual substance, but now can only picture you as a secret DJ, coming to us on the radio with slow jams and love songs...and baseball...


javachik - Nov 19, 2012 9:35:20 pm PST #1544 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Oh I love that image so much. I shall groove you to the slow pulse....


le nubian - Nov 19, 2012 9:43:57 pm PST #1545 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

have you all see this post?

[link]

It claims that that a white hat hacker group thwarted Karl Rove's attempt to steal the election. No way to verify claims, I don't think.