Tara: What's so bad about them coming here? Aren't they good guys? I mean, Watchers, that's just like whole other Gileses, right? Buffy: Yes! They're scary and horrible!

'Potential'


Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


shrift - Nov 19, 2012 5:01:44 pm PST #1518 of 30001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

She is from a small town with little diversity and apparently many of the townspeople thought her groom and his family were Black!

My grandmother thought that my cousin's wife was black for a while. Her family is Filipino.

I also laughed my ass off.


Jesse - Nov 19, 2012 5:03:44 pm PST #1519 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I'm asking about being white, which is something I know a lot less about.

Oh yeah, like Sophia said, most white people I know wouldn't describe someone by race, because for white people it goes without saying, and for everyone else it somehow feels racist to say.


Cass - Nov 19, 2012 5:03:58 pm PST #1520 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I'm asking about being white, which is something I know a lot less about.

I've been trying to be a lot more aware of this and listen for it, yeah, race is generally only mentioned as a descriptor when it's not white. White is default.


§ ita § - Nov 19, 2012 5:11:05 pm PST #1521 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Simon Baker's American accent is really bad this week. Maybe it's because he's yelling? But that whole bit in the desert was really obvious.

The other thing I don't know about is being black American. I feel pretty confident saying that other Jamaicans talk just like Sophia said--we'll tell you the race and hair texture right off the bat to narrow things down (Oh! She's the light one with the good hair!) but I wonder if American black is one side of a spectrum with majority black countries with less American influence on the other side of Jamaica.


Sophia Brooks - Nov 19, 2012 5:58:02 pm PST #1522 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I would think that logically, when most people are black, white becomes a better descriptor, so there probably is that spectrum, I just don't know if we have people here to speak of it.

Of course, I am coming from the perspective of looking like everyone's Italian/Jewish/Greek cousin (seriously, when I was in retail I heard that, like once per day), and so I have a particular fascination for when those things became "white" rather than "other". Also, I swear I went to a college of the Aryan nation, because my 2 BFF's (one Italian American like me and one Italian/American/Jamaican) were like REALLY DARK com[pared to everyone. I mean the Black Student Union thing practically invited me along and it was the 1990's!


§ ita § - Nov 19, 2012 6:00:22 pm PST #1523 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

when most people are black, white becomes a better descriptor, so there probably is that spectrum, I just don't know if we have people here to speak of it

Well, I'm not There, but my Jamaica scenario was intended to cover it.


Sophia Brooks - Nov 19, 2012 6:03:21 pm PST #1524 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Oh- I thought you meant Jamaica to be a middle... I misunderstood.


DebetEsse - Nov 19, 2012 6:04:02 pm PST #1525 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

My grandmother thought that my cousin's wife was black for a while. Her family is Filipino.

I had a little blonde 4th grader claim that being black and being hispanic were "basically the same thing."

I've been trying to be a lot more aware of this and listen for it, yeah, race is generally only mentioned as a descriptor when it's not white. White is default.

This, with a side of Jesse's hesitance to describe people by race for identification-by-description purposes.

Although, lately, I seem to be encountering in an ongoing but peripheral way a larger number than before of people who are not white, but whose ethnicity I feel completely unequipped to make any sort of guess at, so I would not be able to use any racial descriptor more precise than "she's a brown girl," which, no.


Connie Neil - Nov 19, 2012 6:10:17 pm PST #1526 of 30001
brillig

Just watched the second part of Ken Burns' "The Dust Bowl." Damn, I wonder what the teapartiers would make about the government work to save the people in there. Apparently there were people who advocated just writing off the whole region, move the residents out and let it go to ruin.

Plus there was the way the "Okies" were treated in California, with segregation and the usual discrimination. There were checkpoints at the California border to look for "vagrants."

Man, that was a tough time.


Kat - Nov 19, 2012 6:12:23 pm PST #1527 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Connie, if you haven't, you should read The Worst Hard Time which is an amazing book about the Dust Bowl.