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flea - Jun 12, 2012 3:45:50 pm PDT #9436 of 30001
information libertarian

It's basically the concept of the mutual insurance company. My car and homeowners insurance is with Amica, which is a not for profit company and sends a dividend to policyholders (assuming they don't have terrible losses in a given year). I mean, the whole, Christians only, we publish your illness and ask for prayer is a little unusual.


javachik - Jun 12, 2012 3:50:13 pm PDT #9437 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Yeah, it sounds a lot like a co-op/credit union scenario, right? Only with prayer and strict morality guidelines. They actually specifically say that AIDS/HIV contraction has to be through "innocent" means.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 12, 2012 3:50:51 pm PDT #9438 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

So it's more or less a nonprofit insurance co-op? Pretty cool (though less so if any of its subscribers are ranting about the evils of socialized medicine while participating).


javachik - Jun 12, 2012 3:53:21 pm PDT #9439 of 30001
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I read the website and didn't see any ranting or overt political assertions. It does point out that participation fulfills requirements for the new health care legislation requiring insurance.


flea - Jun 12, 2012 3:56:29 pm PDT #9440 of 30001
information libertarian

A major aspect of the modern insurance industry basically developed out of this kind of thing, often called "mutual aid societies" and organized around trade groups, ethnic groups, etc. (They were also a known phenomenon in ancient times; the Romans had mutual aid burial societies, for example.)


amych - Jun 12, 2012 3:57:18 pm PDT #9441 of 30001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

It's basically the concept of the mutual insurance company.

Yeah, I found it weird (and odd and sadly telling) that they're so insistent that it's NOT insurance, dammit, when that's exactly what insurance is.

It's also a really strange transmogrification of the kind of aid societies that congregations in all kinds of religions have always had - part of your dues/collections/whatever goes to the fund that pays out to members in need. Except that in that situation, it's your community that gets the deets and the prayer request, which I find a lot more comfortable, somehow. (And it's also true for non-religious communities: I can't count the number of Buffista fundraisers we've thrown over the years!) I think it's the blurring of lines that weirds me out about it: if all it takes is to sign up and pay a monthly fee, it ain't a community, it's insurance however much you disclaim the word; if it's insurance, it shouldn't also come attached with doctrinal requirements and disclosures of my own damn business.


Laura - Jun 12, 2012 3:57:38 pm PDT #9442 of 30001
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Group medical options would be a nice practical service for religious organizations to offer.

I've seen similar risk pool methods in small business where employees have catastrophic plans and a 'joint' savings pool covers routine medical care. Monthly contributions are made to the savings account and bills submitted are paid. Cuts out the fat middle man insurance company.

Larger companies sometimes have clinics in house to cut down on costs, particularly with wellness programs which reduce medical premiums and sick days.

It seems like more of this kind of thing could happen. I'd be willing to consider many options that don't involve giving tons of money to the Evil insurance company. Gotta be a better way.

In other news, off to watch basketball. Go Heat!


javachik - Jun 12, 2012 3:57:49 pm PDT #9443 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Yeah. Sorry, I didn't articulate my initial statement well - it's not that the concept is new to me; I just hadn't seen any particularly organized Christian approach.


amych - Jun 12, 2012 3:58:55 pm PDT #9444 of 30001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

ha! aid society x-post; only here.

(And the NOT insurance stuff I saw was in the blog comments, not on the official site, to be clear.)


billytea - Jun 12, 2012 4:01:40 pm PDT #9445 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Yeah, I found it weird (and odd and sadly telling) that they're so insistent that it's NOT insurance, dammit, when that's exactly what insurance is.

I think the insistence is at least partly a matter of legal definition, to avoid regulatory requirements.