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Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jessica - Apr 12, 2012 3:00:36 pm PDT #707 of 30001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

An important point from the article: different species of plant use different vectors for pollination. It's the plants that favour wind-borne pollination that cause allergies, as it's their pollen that winds up in the air (of course). By definition, these are not the plants that bees are visiting, and so the allergy-causing pollen won't wind up in anyone's honey.

See also, why those Benadryl ads with the blooming flowers make me cranky.

(But keep buying the local honey anyway. It won't cure your allergies, but it does support local small farmers! And it's delicious!)


JZ - Apr 12, 2012 3:14:40 pm PDT #708 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

They gave people local honey, manufactured honey, and honey flavored syrup and there wasn't any notable difference in allergy symptoms amongst the three.

Okay. On to the hookworms it is!

eta: And local honey, for the placebo effect and to compensate for the trauma of the hookworms.


aurelia - Apr 12, 2012 3:19:15 pm PDT #709 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

(But keep buying the local honey anyway. It won't cure your allergies, but it does support local small farmers! And it's delicious!)

Indeed. I'm still ignoring the hookworms.


le nubian - Apr 12, 2012 3:20:10 pm PDT #710 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

So, what's Mel Gibson's deal?

Has he always been this anti-semitic? I think he actually might be the most anti-semitic person I have ever heard of in modern times outside of the Klan. His vicious epithets I haven't heard before.

So are you telling me that when he was in Lethal Weapon, he was this big of an asshole?

Because I find him irredeemable, odious, and vile. I didn't like him much before the latest revelations came out, but now I am putting him in the category of Don Imus, Rush Limbaugh, and John Derbyshire


Hil R. - Apr 12, 2012 3:53:43 pm PDT #711 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Mel Gibson has been saying antisemitic stuff for a while, but I don't think it really made the news much until the time he was arrested for drunk driving. There were some comments before that, but nothing that was so obviously out-of-line that it got a ton of attention -- mostly just vague sort of half-answers when he was asked about his father, who's a member of some Catholic group that believes that Vatican II was a Jewish plot to bring down the Catholic church, or something.


Scrappy - Apr 12, 2012 3:56:24 pm PDT #712 of 30001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Our friend K, who worked with him (and is Jewish BTW), said he was always nice and respectful and warm. But that was a decade ago and he might have gotten more unhinged since then.


DavidS - Apr 12, 2012 4:03:52 pm PDT #713 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Oh Allyson, that guy's anti Beastie's stance has no credibility at all. They've been recognized as one of the most influential groups in rock and rap for decades now. Hence, the hall of fame.

Just on Paul's Boutique alone they could've coasted in.

Here's their writeup at Allmusic which is pretty close to a critical consensus:

As the first white rap group of any importance, the Beastie Boys received the scorn of critics and strident hip-hop musicians, both of whom accused them of cultural pirating, especially since they began as a hardcore punk group in 1981. But the Beasties weren't pirating -- instead, they treated rap as part of a post-punk musical underground, where the D.I.Y. aesthetics of hip-hop and punk weren't that far apart. Of course, the exaggerated b-boy and frat-boy parodies of their unexpected hit debut album, Licensed to Ill, didn't help their cause. For much of the mid-'80s, the Beastie Boys were considered macho clowns, and while they dismissed that theory with the ambitious, Dust Brothers-produced second album, Paul's Boutique, it was ignored by both the public and the press at the time.

In retrospect, Paul's Boutique was one of the first albums to predict the genre-bending, self-referential pop kaleidoscope of '90s pop. The Beasties refined their eclectic approach with 1992's Check Your Head, where they played their own instruments. Check Your Head brought the Beasties back to the top of the charts, and within a few years, they were considered one of the most influential and ambitious groups of the '90s, cultivating a musical community not only through their music, but with their record label, Grand Royal, and their magazine of the same name.


javachik - Apr 12, 2012 4:04:15 pm PDT #714 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Yeah, he and Danny Glover were apparently pretty close during the Lethal Weapon years, and Danny is not the kind of person who would become close with an asshole bigot woman-beater. So I have the feeling that Mel has changed since those days.


Jesse - Apr 12, 2012 4:07:11 pm PDT #715 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I do kind of wonder what happened to him.


DavidS - Apr 12, 2012 4:14:31 pm PDT #716 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Sigourney Weaver had a great relationship with him doing Year of Living Dangerously and spoke about how much she enjoyed working with him.

Ditto for Jodie Foster who obviously tried to help him with The Beaver.

And I think of them as discerning women. And yet...he's gone horribly wrong.