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Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - May 25, 2012 2:25:33 pm PDT #6773 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I have a question that you can feel free to lie about the answer so I don't cry.

If you put grammar into this complaint:

I am upset by the fact that (in my experience) unless a guy has a body fit to be in Hollywood to be called sexy

Would you say this is a really common issue for guys? That they think they *absolutely* won't look sexy unless they're cut like Fassbender?

I keep getting guys tell me that female privilege isn't that big a deal because most men cry themselves to sleep at night with the knowledge no one will find them attractive unless they look ripped. And no guy ever steps in and says "But I imagine it's equally/more bad for women."

Obviously there's a lot of unrealistic ideal-creation in movies and TV. And half of the shit I reblog on Tumblr shows what catches my eye.

But I clearly can't respond by saying "No! We hurt worse!" And pointing out generally accepted sex symbols who, at worst, clearly let themselves "slide" between shirtless scenes (as opposed to between red carpet events, or any given episode for most female actors) just seems to exacerbate things.

I should just shut up?


javachik - May 25, 2012 2:27:12 pm PDT #6774 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

I've played I Never. With Buffistas even. Post high school I remember a game of strip war. Yes, the card game. I was the referree and got to pick what items were stripped. There was a logic in with all the alcohol, but heck if I could remember it now.

Are you sure? Don't you remember all those metaphors and the bottle of Dom?


Sophia Brooks - May 25, 2012 2:27:47 pm PDT #6775 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Apparently Charlize Theron has 2 canine partners:

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Jesse - May 25, 2012 2:29:22 pm PDT #6776 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I think it's an issue for some guys, sure. But using data from the University of My Ass, I'd say it is way more common for women.

I will never forget the male friend who told me how awesome he looked in the mirror when he was drunk, which he attributed to the dehydration making him look more cut. I don't think I've ever looked in the mirror when drunk and not thought, "ugh." And I generally feel good about how I look!


Amy - May 25, 2012 2:32:11 pm PDT #6777 of 30001
Because books.

I don't think I've ever looked in the mirror when drunk and not thought, "ugh."

Right?

With guys, I sometimes think they're more concerned with impressing (or intimidating) other guys than women. But since I'm not a guy, I have no idea.

That could also be because I've generally found guys to be more forgiving about women's bodies (on a one-on-one basis) than other women are. Although forgiving is not really the best word there. Enthusiastic about all shapes? Like that.

Sometimes I don't speak English so good.


Jesse - May 25, 2012 2:32:33 pm PDT #6778 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

AND I just remembered to pay my student loan on time! (The one I don't autopay because paperwork.) I am SO ON IT.


DavidS - May 25, 2012 2:33:08 pm PDT #6779 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

And I generally feel good about how I look!

Rightly so!

Emmett is more conscious of being ripped than I was at his age. I mean, I enjoyed my physical peak but I was more aware of how strong I felt than how sexy that might appear.


Jessica - May 25, 2012 2:35:03 pm PDT #6780 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I imagine men and women fail to meet society's standard for "sexy" at about the same rate, but I don't think men are under the same pressure to BE EXACTLY THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF SEXY ALL THE TIME OR ELSE YOU FAIL AT PERSONHOOD the way women are.


Jesse - May 25, 2012 2:40:04 pm PDT #6781 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I do think that body dysmorphia is more common for men and boys than it used to be, but nowhere near women and girls. And for people without a disease, I think the "acceptable" zone is smaller for women.


§ ita § - May 25, 2012 2:41:40 pm PDT #6782 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I imagine men and women fail to meet society's standard for "sexy" at about the same rate

My suspicion is that the box has more elbow room for guys than girls (if not only because the standard mode of sexy dress is so much more revealing for women), but I'm hardly going to bring that up anywhere with people I don't know.

Also, apparently penis size is exactly as much a hangup for guys as breast size for women.

Where are they seeing all these penises?