Isn't the salient point, though, that they emphatically did not impose their religious beliefs on others through the law?

This. I think it's a stronger argument for modern Christians that the founding fathers were indeed Christian but didn't think they had the right to make that decision for others.

Right? I'm always so confused by people who think they're making some right wing point with that.

Well, usually they go on to say how this is a Christian nation founded on biblical principles....

Well, usually they go on to say how this is a Christian nation founded on biblical principles....

And that's just not factual. But, it's also not factual for the left wing to say that the founding fathers were not Christian. I guess that's what I was getting at from the beginning.

I'm getting a whole new-to-me driver side door that opens from the inside! Possibly the same color as the rest of the car

Well, isn't that fancy!

Is “argument by bogus history” one of the logical fallacies? The Mormons are really good at that, and I think the other Christian denominations are picking up on it.

I thank you all for your sanity and rational discussions today. I'm afraid to talk to people outside my door.

CJ is off at an "ASL Social". He is supposed to go to one a semester and he always puts it off to the last minute. In an hour I pick him up and the three of us are going to see Wicked.

Well, isn't that fancy!

I'll try not to let it go to my head.

While I sincerely doubt it would have any effect on your marriage, I can kind of see how Michelle Bachmann might consider the prospect of men being able to marry each other a threat to her own.

tee hee!

Well, usually they go on to say how this is a Christian nation founded on biblical principles....

I would start responding to arguments like this by asking people where they plan to build their prison tower and if they prefer gallows or guillotine for religious dissidents but I don't think they'd get it.