I am not having sex with Spike! But I'm starting to think that you might be.

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Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Steph L. - Oct 14, 2012 9:40:59 am PDT #25668 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I'm already too stressed out about the election.

I think I have to even stop looking at 538, because of Romney's jump in the polls. It's freaking me out too hard.


Sheryl - Oct 14, 2012 9:52:02 am PDT #25669 of 30001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

Went to brunch with my MIL, then went to a showing of Israeli art. Groceries, and home.


msbelle - Oct 14, 2012 10:22:18 am PDT #25670 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I just put up the announcement for the annual gift exchange - email me if you want in. I am going post to the FB group also.


le nubian - Oct 14, 2012 10:31:52 am PDT #25671 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Steph,

Romney was going to jump in the polls, in my view, because he was too low in before the first debate. Romney's levels are about what they were before any of the conventions. So he is back to summertime levels.

I believe in the accuracy of polls generally, but I thought the huge bump Obama got was a bit of a blip.


Steph L. - Oct 14, 2012 11:09:23 am PDT #25672 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I believe in the accuracy of polls generally, but I thought the huge bump Obama got was a bit of a blip.

I was just feeling so much better with 538 showing Obama predicted to take over 300 electoral votes, and >75% odds of winning.

The numbers now freak me out too much.


Sophia Brooks - Oct 14, 2012 11:44:57 am PDT #25673 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Someone is either shooting a gun near my house, or there was a hell of a loud motorcycle backfiring


Kalshane - Oct 14, 2012 11:57:03 am PDT #25674 of 30001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Has anyone heard about any gun control legislation being proposed recently, or should I just chalk up the anti-Obama ad I just saw to typical NRA fear-mongering?


Typo Boy - Oct 14, 2012 12:12:37 pm PDT #25675 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I may have missed something but I think NRA fear-mongering.

Incidentally, count me as an "Obama is a lesser evil" guy rather than thinking he is pretty good and just stopped by the Republicans.

On foreign policy the President can do pretty much what he wants, and we are still in Afghanistan. The only reason we are not still in Iraq was that Bush signed a treaty that said we have to get out. On civil liberties, Obama has expanded government power to kill pretty much anyone the President says needs to be killed, has fought in the courts for the continued right to hold people without trial, to wiretap with (in practice no restrictions) and on and on. Plus Drone warfare.00

When it comes to domestic policy, yeah the Republicans blocked a lot of things. But Obama had continuously pushed for Social Security cuts. The catfood commission (i.e. Bowles-Simpson) was a Republican idea but Obama's. And he said even before he was elected that cutting "entitlements" was one of his goals. The administrations is still talking about "tweaks" - raising the retirement age and reducing cost of living adjustments. Now even if the effect of raising the retirement age is to cause people to wait longer to retire that is reduction in benefits. But most people retire as soon as they can which means that raising the retirement age lowers benefits. And cost of living rises faster for old people than the population as a whole not more slowly. So reducing cost of living adjustments is a benefit cut as well. And Social Security is one of the most miserly public pension plans among the rich nations. I will add that Obama, even when he came in with huge popular support, failed to push for a large enough stimulus. Maybe he could not have won, but he never even fought for as much as was needed. I could go on, but in my opinion Obama has been a cautious center-right President when we needed a Roosevelt. Does not mean I won't vote for him over the little man in the Monopoly set, but definitely a lesser evil, not an imperfect good.


Tom Scola - Oct 14, 2012 12:17:14 pm PDT #25676 of 30001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

My feelings towards Obama are always going to be sullied by the fact that he SENDS ROBOTS TO KILL PEOPLE.


Kalshane - Oct 14, 2012 12:43:53 pm PDT #25677 of 30001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

On foreign policy the President can do pretty much what he wants, and we are still in Afghanistan. The only reason we are not still in Iraq was that Bush signed a treaty that said we have to get out. On civil liberties, Obama has expanded government power to kill pretty much anyone the President says needs to be killed, has fought in the courts for the continued right to hold people without trial, to wiretap with (in practice no restrictions) and on and on. Plus Drone warfare.00

I'm with you on all of that. I really hoped once we killed bin Laden, Obama would take the opportunity to declare "victory" and pull us the hell out. I'm also infuriated by him just sweeping the torture program under the rug. Yes, he put a stop to it, but an executive orders are ridiculously easy to overturn (which Romney has already said he wants to do, though he won't actually day he wants to restart the program. There's plenty of other Republicans chomping at the bit to do so, though.) and he let everyone involved walk without even a slap on the wrist.

The civil liberties, detention and assassination without oversight are equally disturbing, especially if the Bushies get their hands on the reigns again.