Just keep walking, preacher-man.

River ,'Jaynestown'


Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Atropa - Oct 12, 2012 10:53:15 am PDT #25454 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

staying in a haunted hotel on Halloween and going to a seance conducted by an illusionist/escape artist is a pretty unique opportunity, right?

You must go. You MUST. And then tell me all about it.


Jesse - Oct 12, 2012 10:55:54 am PDT #25455 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

To be honest, it wouldn't bother me as much as it does if everyone doing it quit trying to put on a British accent.

OMG.


hippocampus - Oct 12, 2012 10:57:42 am PDT #25456 of 30001
not your mom's socks.

But Steampunkish middle-grade fantasy novels are still cool, right?

I have read the middle-grade fantasy in question and I say yes, without a doubt. Still cool.

The books (not yours) that seem to be created using some sort of matrix of profitability where YA + (Steampunk - whimsy) + LOTS AND LOTS OF COGS WITH SCIENCE THAT MAKES NO SENSE? nsm ... ahem.


Consuela - Oct 12, 2012 11:00:29 am PDT #25457 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

How would one celebrate the exploration of Africa without being accused of racism?

Well, Africa was hardly unknown to the people who lived there. Which is rather the problem with celebrating explorations and discoveries. The Native Americans knew very well where they were when Columbus arrived: he in fact was the one who was lost!


Calli - Oct 12, 2012 11:02:42 am PDT #25458 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Yeah, I'd go with "Explorer." You could reference historical figures such as Cândido Mariano da Silva Rondon [link] Matthew Henson (African American, may have been the first person to reach the geographic north pole in 1909--Edwardian's still ok, right?) [link] or Nain Singh Rawat [link]

They're all male, though. The female explorers I've found from around that period have been pretty much European/American.


Typo Boy - Oct 12, 2012 11:10:24 am PDT #25459 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I will, but I suspect that the people behind the event really REALLY want to wear pith helmets and feel like they're the heroes in a Rider Haggard novel.

I'd suggest Oswald Bastable again, but but I suspect the people you are talking ab out would totally miss the point, assuming they knew who Bastable was in the first place.


Atropa - Oct 12, 2012 11:10:35 am PDT #25460 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Whooo. Well, never mind. I just talked to one of the event organizers, let them know about the current RaceFail happening in the subculture, and gently suggested that "Safari" may need re-thinking. He nodded a lot, and said something along the lines of, "But we're reinterpreting the history the way we want it to, without the awful parts", and "We've all talked about it, and we don't want to cater to the whims of people who rant about imperialism any time someone wears a pith helmet."

Oooookaaay, then. Not going to that event next year, nope.


Typo Boy - Oct 12, 2012 11:11:47 am PDT #25461 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Wow. OK they are way beyond the point where Bastable could help.


brenda m - Oct 12, 2012 11:11:57 am PDT #25462 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Yeah, I'd go with "Explorer." You could reference historical figures such as Cândido Mariano da Silva Rondon [link], Matthew Henson (African American, may have been the first person to reach the geographic north pole in 1909--Edwardian's still ok, right?) [link], or Nain Singh Rawat [link]

I still feel like the end result would be pretty much anohter layer of - pardon me - whitewash over the original concept.

Maybe if the idea had started there.


Nora Deirdre - Oct 12, 2012 11:12:49 am PDT #25463 of 30001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

How would one celebrate the exploration of Africa without being accused of racism?

Um, not much to celebrate about that? Colonization of Africa and the Caribbean was, for the most part, a pretty brutal process and not so great for those who lived there, and was also horribly racist. Therefore, to answer your question, you cannot, because the "exploration" of Africa is racist.