Can a debate tank an election? I haven't been able to watch it yet, and people appear to be in mourning.
You're nice, and you're funny and you don't smoke, and okay, werewolf, but that's not all the time. I mean, three days out of the month, I'm not much fun to be around, either.
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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Allyson - Oct 03, 2012 6:35:16 pm PDT #24439 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Ginger - Oct 03, 2012 6:38:58 pm PDT #24440 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda
I don't know if that's poor scheduling, or deliberate ballsiness, or what.
Debates too scary for you? Watch Supernatural instead.
Connie Neil - Oct 03, 2012 6:45:15 pm PDT #24441 of 30001
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I think we're seeing some of what were called the lowering of expectations. If Romney managed not to actually say "Let them eat cake" and didn't start proselytizing for the Mormon Church, people would call it a win.
chrismg - Oct 03, 2012 6:48:16 pm PDT #24442 of 30001
"...and then Legolas and the Hulk destroy the entire Greek army." - Penny Arcade
I haven't been able to watch it yet, and people appear to be in mourning.
I went to watch it at the local Democratic office and people there seemed fairly positive after it was over. I suspect the company you see it in makes a difference; I've seen some places claim Obama got no zingers off at all, and I saw him get at least 3 good ones off.
Allyson - Oct 03, 2012 6:54:35 pm PDT #24443 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
It's such an odd thing. CNN is giving me DOOOOOM. But then they said all their polls were done by phone. And then I thought, "oh, it's the old people."
I feel kind of bad about that. Am I in privilege-land? Do people still have landlines?
billytea - Oct 03, 2012 6:57:35 pm PDT #24444 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.
Can a debate tank an election? I haven't been able to watch it yet, and people appear to be in mourning.
I think it's conceivable, and there are arguments that the debate was indeed significant in Kennedy v Nixon and Carter v Reagan. I don't see it here though. I do think Romney was the definite winner, not just against expectations, but there wasn't anything that'll really change people's minds. Obama didn't make any particular stumbles, reactions when he was talking were decent enough and Romney didn't score any real body-blows.
DavidS - Oct 03, 2012 7:06:09 pm PDT #24445 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Can a debate tank an election?
Nah. I saw Ronald Reagan go into debate one and ramble like he already had advanced dementia. He pulled it together in the second debate and everybody was convinced he had his marbles and he won.
Burrell - Oct 03, 2012 7:19:17 pm PDT #24446 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
I think Romney came across better, as long as you weren't particularly concerned with the truth value of what he said. Obama didn't do badly, he just didn't do as well. He looked distracted and a bit uninterested.
Kat - Oct 03, 2012 7:21:23 pm PDT #24447 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
Debates too scary for you? Watch Supernatural instead.
A Winchester being in purgatory over summer hiatus is much less scary than the prospective of Romney?
Cass - Oct 03, 2012 7:26:20 pm PDT #24448 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
I think it's conceivable, and there are arguments that the debate was indeed significant in Kennedy v Nixon and Carter v Reagan.
This.
But not now.
I just think that when Romney failed to look like a total idiot and had new and halfway cogent talking points, I was personally surprised.
And it wasn't Obama's best night. He didn't fail anything though.
My vote doesn't change. I don't think a lot of votes change on this debate. It was just different than I expected.
My reaction here is not what I'd even express to the more enthusiastic of Romney supporters that I know. It's just, it's us. Here's what I really think.
Obama didn't do as well as I think he could have at his best. Romney surprised me but I still think the guy is lying his ass off or doesn't have a single actual conviction.
Edit: I think Romney came across better, as long as you weren't particularly concerned with the truth value of what he said. Obama didn't do badly, he just didn't do as well. He looked distracted and a bit uninterested.
Until further notice, What Burrell Said. Because she said it quicker and better.