Yeah, Lincoln to my knowledge was not a slave owner. But he did not become an abolitionist until necessity forced him on it late in his presidency. He did not believe slavery could survive in the long term, and was unwilling to do anything to prop it up, but he was not anxious to speed up the process either.
Please...Wesley...why can't I stay?
Fred ,'A Hole in the World'
Natter 70: Hookers and Blow
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Typo Boy - Sep 30, 2012 5:26:33 pm PDT #24040 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Cashmere - Sep 30, 2012 5:35:52 pm PDT #24041 of 30001
Now tagless for your comfort.
He spend his early years in Kentucky, but his family moved to Indiana, briefly--and I do not believe that Indiana was a slave state. But they moved to Illinois before he was 10 and Illinois was a free state.
§ ita § - Sep 30, 2012 5:42:46 pm PDT #24042 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I figured political expedience had a fair amount to do with it. A hard and fast "they are our property" man would be hard-pressed to push that position, but someone going with the flow might be more flexible.
sarameg - Sep 30, 2012 5:43:06 pm PDT #24043 of 30001
I regularly mis-saw a signal sign reading "This is your signal" as "This is your life" in a rather dank period in my life. My reaction varied between laughing and crying.
Ginger - Sep 30, 2012 6:05:51 pm PDT #24044 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda
Kentucky was a border state. Mary Todd's father was a slave owner, but her family was divided over the war. She was a staunch supporter of Lincoln and the Union, but some of her brothers fought for the Confederacy.
Lincoln was always opposed to slavery, but like many well-meaning people of the era, did not know what the solution was. He supported repatriation to Africa or some type of gradual end to slavery, possibly including the government reimbursing slaveholders for the value of their slaves. He thought the main issue of the war was retaining the Union, but after Antietam, he issued the Emancipation Proclamation to weaken the South and encourage slaves to fight for the Union.
Hil R. - Sep 30, 2012 6:22:57 pm PDT #24045 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
Some Israeli children and grandchildren of Auschwitz survivors are getting their parents' or grandparents' number tattooed on their arms. I'm really uncertain how I feel about this. [link]
Connie Neil - Sep 30, 2012 6:29:01 pm PDT #24046 of 30001
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That's a interesting article, Hil. I didn't know the tattoos were only for the workers and started relatively late.
Lee - Sep 30, 2012 9:16:50 pm PDT #24047 of 30001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
I was looking at the tv listings tonight and it seems that ABC and CBS are trying to battle for my soul.
ABC: Once Upon a Time, Revenge, 666 Park Avenue
CBS: Amazing Race, Good Wife, Mentalist
As much as I love the Good Wife, I suspect my Sunday (close to) real time shows are going to be TAR, Revenge and 666 Park Ave, and Good Wife and Once upon on a time will be watched later in the week.
Escapism FTW!
-t - Sep 30, 2012 9:33:23 pm PDT #24048 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
I went with The Good Wife, Revenge, and 666 Park Ave tonight, and I am pleased, if up too late. That is partially because it was too darn hot today and once it finally cooled off I had a little burst of energy. Supposed to be over 100 tomorrow, I'm thinking a siesta in front of the swamp cooler may be in order.
sarameg - Oct 01, 2012 1:56:24 am PDT #24049 of 30001
I'm taking a mental health day. I've been up since 5:30 (this is a monday morning thing, WHY?) and have been dithering back and forth. On one, I could do today. Other? Well, there is no other than this is one of those rare days where it won't chase after me, so goddamn it.