Where'd they get CAT scan from?... I mean, did they test it on cats? Or does the machine sort of look like a cat?

Dawn ,'Sleeper'


Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


billytea - Sep 16, 2012 1:14:54 pm PDT #22306 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

China's per capita income is only slightly more per year than Jamaica's. In fact in sorted GDP lists, China is immediately above Jamaica.

True, but this masks great regional disparity. Places like Shanghai have living standards on a par with Latin America, while more rural areas are subject to severe poverty. (This is a source of growing tension within China - the outrage sparked when the haves are seen to be riding roughshod over the have-nots spreads rapidly.)

A lot what makes China a "hard case" is that admitting it is a poor nation makes China bashing a bit harder.

I think it's more complicated than that. China is poor per capita (though not uniformly across the country), but as you note it is still an economic powerhouse (and a growing military one). It has a great impact on the rest of the world, and the rest of the world has every right to be critical of how it uses that power. Poor countries do have responsibilities; so do superpowers, and China is both. (Likewise, both poor countries and superpowers have rights and legitimate interests. Most of what makes China a hard case is that untangling its complex and sometimes contradictory nature is genuinely hard. It isn't helped by the fact that frankly, China isn't that skillful at international diplomacy.)


Theodosia - Sep 16, 2012 1:22:52 pm PDT #22307 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

For the record, I was being facetious about Jamaica-As-Second-World, and not attempting to dis it.

Though I think it might be time to revisit "-world" definitions, because countries with dysfunctional unstable governments, marginal infrastructures, robber baron/colonialist economies, or your classic 'failed states' (cf Somalia, Haiti, North Korea, Afghanistan, East Timor) surely deserve a lower gradation than Third.


Zenkitty - Sep 16, 2012 1:23:22 pm PDT #22308 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Not apropos, why isn't Twitter working.


Ginger - Sep 16, 2012 1:33:36 pm PDT #22309 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Are there second-world countries?


billytea - Sep 16, 2012 2:26:53 pm PDT #22310 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Here's an article about US political trends that I found rather compelling: [link]

The most striking quote (to me):

"Burton and his colleagues spent the early months of 2012 trying out the pitch that Romney was the most far-right presidential candidate since Barry Goldwater. It fell flat. The public did not view Romney as an extremist. For example, when Priorities informed a focus group that Romney supported the Ryan budget plan — and thus championed “ending Medicare as we know it” — while also advocating tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, the respondents simply refused to believe any politician would do such a thing."


§ ita § - Sep 16, 2012 2:27:48 pm PDT #22311 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So you're not thinking of corrupt government and paucity of infrastructure in the aame breath as my native land?


Typo Boy - Sep 16, 2012 2:28:47 pm PDT #22312 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Are there second-world countries?

That was the Soviet bloc which no long exists. Unlike "Third World" the term did not mutate.


Typo Boy - Sep 16, 2012 2:32:20 pm PDT #22313 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

So you're not thinking of corrupt government and paucity of infrastructure in the aame breath as my native land?

That is the reality - not the stereotype. Not really a surprise that people are wrong. I guess maybe a surprise that they are wrong about this. Popular culture portrayals and really good PR by whoever promotes y9ur tourism.


Cass - Sep 16, 2012 2:41:37 pm PDT #22314 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

For example, when Priorities informed a focus group that Romney supported the Ryan budget plan — and thus championed “ending Medicare as we know it” — while also advocating tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, the respondents simply refused to believe any politician would do such a thing."

I am horrified by this. But not surprised. People really seem to put as much belief in their actual stated intentions as I do in the claims that the President is not a citizen and a secret Muslim. I feel like I have factual accuracy on my side but they probably do too. It's a mess. And no one seems to think talking together and looking for compromise is worthwhile.


Typo Boy - Sep 16, 2012 2:45:39 pm PDT #22315 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I don't know how much a compromise can do. If we are discussing lunch, and I want Italian, and you want Mexican we can probably work something out. But If you want Mexican, and I suggest tire rims and anthrax, at that point you might reconsider who you want to eat lunch with - and certainly would not try to find a compromise.