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Buffy ,'Showtime'


Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Zenkitty - Aug 31, 2012 6:38:35 am PDT #20406 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Laugh all we may about Clint Eastwood's unscripted speech at the RNC but the crowd loved him. That's all that matters. They were chanting Make My Day! at the end, encouraging him to say it, and laughing with glee. They didn't give a dang what he talked about, and they thought the Invisible Obama schtick was hilarious.

I have to stop thinking and go to work now.


Consuela - Aug 31, 2012 6:38:36 am PDT #20407 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Started running for President with two years left in his term.

He also shafted the municipalities; I remember Nutty talking about it at one point. Something about how he cut the state budget (fiscal conservatism, woo!) -- by cutting state support for a lot of local programs like schools and libraries and so forth, so the towns had to raise local taxes to cover the shortfall.

While health care in MA has improved under Romneycare (including a significant drop in the number of teenagers having abortions!), the fiscal situations for towns and municipalities suffered. And then he just cut and run, leaving the local governments holding the bag.

That's one reason why Massachusetts residents don't like him, or so I recall. But Nora and Frank could probably say more.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 31, 2012 6:45:13 am PDT #20408 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

He also shafted the municipalities; Nutty would know better. Something about how he cut the state budget (fiscal conservatism, woo!) -- by cutting state support for a lot of local programs like schools and libraries and so forth, so the towns had to raise local taxes to cover the shortfall.

I never felt any impact from that, but it sounds about Romney's speed. I remember he was good in a crisis (like when parts of the big dig started falling on people), but I also remember that he started making snide comments about MA when he was elsewhere, and he was still the Governor at that point.


le nubian - Aug 31, 2012 6:45:53 am PDT #20409 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Politics:

The thing is: there always have been and will be fringe groups in the US. There are also fringe elements of both major political parties in addition to fringe groups who act independently. What we don't have is strong leadership in the GOP to tamp down some of the extremism. The Democratic Party *now* is the Republican Party from the 1980s with some left-wing participants.

I'd like Congress to be a bit more left in social policy and fiscally (fiscal responsibility, but more funding for public education, etc.) but the Democrats cannot be in that role as long as the Repub platforms and public persona is so off the chain.

I don't agree with Andrew Sullivan. I think fiscal conservatives (true ones, not just those who are conservative except when it comes to the wealthy) will need to break off and form a new party. They have sold their souls to the ideological extremists. You have completely lost me when you advocate preventing people from voting - not to mention the racism, homophobia, xenophobia, and eagerness to go to war.


Jesse - Aug 31, 2012 6:46:50 am PDT #20410 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Laugh all we may about Clint Eastwood's unscripted speech at the RNC but the crowd loved him. That's all that matters.

Not at all -- the people in the room are not enough voters to win the election.


Jessica - Aug 31, 2012 6:54:45 am PDT #20411 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

the people in the room are not enough voters to win the election.

And frankly, the people in that room were going to vote for him anyway.


msbelle - Aug 31, 2012 6:55:27 am PDT #20412 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

The people in that room would vote for the empty chair.


Zenkitty - Aug 31, 2012 6:59:13 am PDT #20413 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Not at all -- the people in the room are not enough voters to win the election.

I didn't mean, "all that's needed to win", I meant, "all that matters about the speech as far as Repubs are concerned". The Dems takeaway from that speech is that it was a ridiculous mistake. The Repubs takeaway, at least from what I saw of those in attendance, was "Whoo-hoo It's Clint! He's Making Fun of Obama! Whoo-Hoo Make My Day!" No one is changing their minds based on Clint.


§ ita § - Aug 31, 2012 7:00:11 am PDT #20414 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't leave AMA often, but I've never had a visit not covered by insurance because of it.


Jesse - Aug 31, 2012 7:01:56 am PDT #20415 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

No one is changing their minds based on Clint.

Oh, absolutely. That goes both ways. And that's not what the conventions are for.