I don't give a good gorram about relevant, Wash. Or objective. And I ain't so afraid of losing something that I ain't gonna try to have it. You and I would make one beautiful baby. And I want to meet that child one day. Period.

Zoe ,'Heart Of Gold'


Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


billytea - Aug 11, 2012 2:05:33 am PDT #17798 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Portman could have won Ohio for Mitt, easily. I was terrified he'd pick Portman, TBH.

Nate Silver ran some numbers on the possibility that various candidates could swing their home state for Romney. It was based on some speculative assumptions, though I think those assumptions overstated the chance if anything. He gave Portman a 6% chance of changing the Ohio result. Most important reason seems to be because he's still not well known even there - he gets 33% favourable, 25% unfavourable, and a rather substantial remainder of "no opinion".

Not sure about the Ryan pick. For all that his budget seems pretty deeply flawed, he's pretty much the only Republican who can claim to have taken a serious stab at it. I'm guessing many more voters know that he has a plan than know what's in it. I'm also guessing that the Obama campaign will be quite enthusiastic about bringing voters up to speed on that. It's not popular with independents, so I don't think Ryan helps Romney in the centre.

Presumably he's supposed to shore up the base, then. I guess he's popular with fiscal conservatives and hence Tea Partiers (though from Wikipedia's description of his plan, I'm not sure why - seems it raises taxes on most people and doesn't balance the budget for a couple of decades anyway). I wouldn't have thought that's the part of the base that Romney needs most help with though. I'd have thought that'd be the Religious Right, suspicious of his Mormonism, and the social conservatives, mistrusting his flip-flopping on their dogwhistle issues. I assume Ryan isn't a drag there, but I don't know why he's be a plus either.

Not that I think it'll make a huge difference either way. VP candidates usually don't, and Ryan doesn't really seem that remarkable in either direction to stand out. (And he stands even less chance than Portman of making a difference in his home state.)


Kat - Aug 11, 2012 3:33:17 am PDT #17799 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

His budget is a mess. Like it is not a serious budget at all. I'm not sure how his candidacy helps Romney except it might help bring the conservatives to the polls.

But this is I didn't get -- the conservatives hate Obama enough that they would probably have gone to the polls anyhow. BUT, it's true that Romney (not the current iteration) is really moderate so maybe they wouldn't have.

I fear politics this year.


sarameg - Aug 11, 2012 4:20:08 am PDT #17800 of 30001

OK, I was going to sit here and listen to the radio before I clean house, but I think I'll go feed my friends' cats instead. I hate the dog and pony shows.


sarameg - Aug 11, 2012 4:58:46 am PDT #17801 of 30001

Loki is totally creeped out when I come home smelling like other cats. OK, cleaning. NOW.


tommyrot - Aug 11, 2012 5:04:15 am PDT #17802 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Before today, I've read that a Ryan pick would be good for Obama.

Today I've read that the Ryan pick shows Romney feels he's behind and needs to take a gamble.

ION, I'm driving to Clintonville today to watch the Perseids with my family.

And I stopped thinking of Clintonville as home once my parents sold the farm.


billytea - Aug 11, 2012 5:16:18 am PDT #17803 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Before today, I've read that a Ryan pick would be good for Obama. Today I've read that the Ryan pick shows Romney feels he's behind and needs to take a gamble.

Both statements could well be true, of course (as I believe they were if applied to Palin in 2008).


tommyrot - Aug 11, 2012 5:21:29 am PDT #17804 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Heh. Kristol advocated for both Palin and Ryan.

Also, once again Romney is catering to the far-right wing.

Eta: I mean, Romney has been consistently caving to the far-right wing.


§ ita § - Aug 11, 2012 5:54:34 am PDT #17805 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So I'm reading about the latest magical kitchen thing. Precision induction cooktop. So hyperbole, blah blah blah. One of the testimonials so far is "My husband loves it. He can grill indoors, rather than going outside. He can join us as a family." Suddenly his story is more interesting that the portable 1/4 stove. Why can't her husband go outside? What was happening beforehand? Were they repeatedly grilling outside, and he was stuck inside, pawing sadly at the patio door?

WHAT PROBLEM IS THIS SOLVING FOR YOU????

I find it fascinating in the age of TiVo and the web that they claim they have "act now" specials--my TV is counting down 7 minutes and lower, but the web page seems to be offering me the same (typically seductive, but with an unspecified "shipping and processing" charge) without any sort of time limit.


billytea - Aug 11, 2012 6:00:05 am PDT #17806 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Why can't her husband go outside? What was happening beforehand?

I assumed his family were the ones inside, at the dinner table or such like, while he was stuck outside at the grill, cooking the meat as menfolk are wont to do.


§ ita § - Aug 11, 2012 6:05:50 am PDT #17807 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You know what--every time I've seen (I've never lived it), the outdoor Daddy grilling also has outdoor eating.

So there's no separation.

Now, when the mother is cooking, she's typically alone in the kitchen. But the stereotypical weekend grill-up is a convivial everyone's around thing.

I mean, does anyone give a fuck if Mummy has company? Does she want company?

If Daddy wants company, then my question flips around: why can't the rest of the family just go the fuck outside? That's what's happening in the TV grill scenarios....