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Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Hil R. - Aug 06, 2012 2:38:40 pm PDT #17182 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Racism and hair politics, in a nutshell. Your hair might frizz out, but at the end of the day, you're still white.

Yeah, I get that, but I still don't see what the problem was. I googled a bit, and found a bunch of articles quoting people criticizing her hair, but I can't find anything with specifics about what they thought was wrong with it. I'm confused about what people were objecting to.


le nubian - Aug 06, 2012 2:39:31 pm PDT #17183 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Gabby also had a fake ponytail in the back that people objected to. In large measure, it was no worse or better than most hair I saw in women's gymnastics.


Ginger - Aug 06, 2012 2:42:37 pm PDT #17184 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

There are few subjects more emotionally charged than black hair.


Zenkitty - Aug 06, 2012 2:44:56 pm PDT #17185 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

It's flat-out racism. They just couldn't find anything else to criticize.


Connie Neil - Aug 06, 2012 2:47:24 pm PDT #17186 of 30001
brillig

At least they're not talking about her teeth. Maybe it's dawning on people that orthodontia can be a luxury.


le nubian - Aug 06, 2012 2:49:46 pm PDT #17187 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Ginger speaks truth. What would they have said if she came out in cornrows?


Hil R. - Aug 06, 2012 2:50:50 pm PDT #17188 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

OK, after reading about ten more articles that all quoted people saying things like, "It's great that she won, but with that hair?" I finally found a couple that said that the problem was that there was some texture at the front and nape, but the ponytail was straight, and it shouldn't be mismatched like that. Which, whatever, but at least I'm not staring at photos saying, "But what are they objecting to?" anymore.


javachik - Aug 06, 2012 2:56:07 pm PDT #17189 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

I searched twitter for "gabby hair" the night that she won gold.

A couple of points: By far, most of the comments about her hair, and criticizing it, were made by people of color (at least, if their avatars were accurate). ETA: ALSO, most of the Tweets, by everyone - were supportive of Gabby's hair and took others to task for complaining about it.

One of my best friends on Twitter is pretty mad that the media picked up on the "story" at all, because she (she's Black) sees the media picking up on the "Black people are really critical of Black people's hair" angle and she is annoyed that "all Black people are being judged based on stupid people on Twitter trying to stir up shit". Her words.

My conclusion is that media wants you to click on headlines AND people who have a voice on the internet are sometimes going to write stupid things.


javachik - Aug 06, 2012 2:57:02 pm PDT #17190 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Also, envy. Lots and lots and lots of envy.

Here's a search. Scroll down and go back to late July. You'll see a sampling of the comments.

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§ ita § - Aug 06, 2012 3:08:31 pm PDT #17191 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Hil, I'm not sure how much sense you can find in a general atmosphere of "black people's hair isn't presentable." That's been some kind of truism coming out of the mouths of both black and white people for hundreds of years now.

The complaints don't need to make sense. I'd be surprised if they did. Because--they don't. There is a vocal contingent of people for whom nothing is good enough--and that contingent is comprised of warring factions--if you straighten your hair, you hate yourself, if you don't straighten it, you look raggedy.

It just is. Black hair ain't right, therefore it gets complained about. The actual adjectives used are irrelevant. They're criticizing her for having it, and being black. Everything else is set dressing.