Gunn: Well, how horrible is this thing? Lorne: I haven't read the Book of Revelations lately, but if I was searching for adjectives, I'd probably start there.

'Hell Bound'


Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Allyson - Apr 19, 2012 10:27:32 am PDT #1668 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

They're fucking terrified.

I see. So they're trying to hasten it by doubling down?

This is really just the same stuff that's happening with all the War on Women laws in the US. I want to believe it's the terrified death rattle of a dying mindset. "I AM TAKING YOU ALL DOWN WITH ME!" But it will take years to undo this all.


tommyrot - Apr 19, 2012 10:28:19 am PDT #1669 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

"SCHISM! SCHISM!"

Judean People's Front! People's Front of Judea!

Sorry.


Sophia Brooks - Apr 19, 2012 10:29:33 am PDT #1670 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Maybe we need an Anti-Pope again.


tommyrot - Apr 19, 2012 10:30:55 am PDT #1671 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Maybe we need an Anti-Pope again.

Yes. With superpowers.


amych - Apr 19, 2012 10:35:07 am PDT #1672 of 30001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

it will take years to undo this all.

This is my main worry. I have no doubt at all that all this ugly backlashy stuff is going to look like death throes from 100 years' distance -- but they're working their asses off right now to stick it to us as hard as they can in the mean time. Hence crap like trying to push through an anti-marriage amendment in NC even though the dude who wrote the thing as much as admits it'll be a dead issue in 20 years time.

Twenty years, and you want to amend a fucking constitution for the explicitly stated reason of making it harder for your opposition legislatively. Fuckers.


Calli - Apr 19, 2012 10:36:25 am PDT #1673 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

"SCHISM! SCHISM!"

You could be like the Cathars, JZ, only successful. The Cathars had some great names, such as Esclarmonde De Foix. They were anti-church corruption and vegetarian and, arguably, had the best music (a number of troubadours were Cathar or at least Cathar sympathetic).

Go Cathar 2.0! Choose Cathar 2.0!


Allyson - Apr 19, 2012 10:39:27 am PDT #1674 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Or that whole thing about counting last period as time so your window for abortion is shorter. So, you have to count the age of an egg that hasn't yet dropped into account.

Or having to carry a dead fetus around until your body expels it, because you can't abort a dead fetus. Just like the animals on the farm.

I don't know whether to quietly sob or release a primal scream, on a minute by minute basis.


Laura - Apr 19, 2012 10:44:52 am PDT #1675 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Seriously, that really does make my heart hurt for women religious. This is their whole life -- they've given their whole selves to fulfilling Christ's mission, and they're DOING IT, and they're getting smacked down in a huge way and being told that they're committing spiritual wrongs.

This! The nuns I knew in school would be vocally outraged about this. I hope that there is a seriously widespread response to this ridiculousness.


Amy - Apr 19, 2012 10:47:55 am PDT #1676 of 30001
Because books.

Is "women religious" what you're supposed to say? I never knew that.

Or that whole thing about counting last period as time so your window for abortion is shorter.

That's been the accepted way to calculate pregnancy dates for a long time, but yeah, it doesn't mean that anything is actually *in* there until the date of conception. It's just that that date is almost impossible to know, unless you're charting, in which case you're probably not getting an abortion.

All of it is really frightening. Death throes would be a more comforting thought if I didn't believe it was going to make a huge mess first.


Jessica - Apr 19, 2012 10:51:24 am PDT #1677 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Or that whole thing about counting last period as time so your window for abortion is shorter. So, you have to count the age of an egg that hasn't yet dropped into account.

Not to beat a dead horse, but this is how doctors calculate gestational age. It's not something Jan Brewer made up to trick women into being legally pregnant an extra two weeks.

"Gestational age" is defined twice in the bill. The first is the standard "two weeks past the first day of the woman's last period, and the second, which is the one used to determine whether or not an abortion is legal, reads:

"PROBABLE GESTATIONAL AGE" MEANS THE GESTATIONAL AGE OF THE UNBORN CHILD AT THE TIME THE ABORTION IS PLANNED TO BE PERFORMED AND AS DETERMINED WITH REASONABLE PROBABILITY BY THE ATTENDING PHYSICIAN

Literally everything else about this bill is 100% pure unmitigated evil. It drives me nuts that the liberal blogosphere is focused on the one thing in the entire bill that's actually legitimate science.