Is the Criminal Minds with Frankie Muniz one of the really disturbing ones? I just turned it on.

Oh hey, so the Vatican continues on its current trajectory toward turning its back on the flock:

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“I’m stunned,” said Sister Simone Campbell, executive director of Network, a Catholic social justice lobby founded by sisters. Her group was also cited in the Vatican document, along with the Leadership Conference, for focusing its work too much on poverty and economic injustice, while keeping “silent” on abortion and same-sex marriage.

And while the Vatican was investigating the Leadership Conference, the Vatican was also conducting a separate, widespread investigation of all women’s religious orders and communities in the United States.

the Vatican was also conducting a separate, widespread investigation of all women’s religious orders and communities in the United States.

Investigating them for what? Not enough poverty and celibacy?

for focusing its work too much on poverty and economic injustice, while keeping “silent” on abortion and same-sex marriage.

OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

Investigating them for what?

Getting too uppity.

OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE

Yeah. The National Catholic Reporter is all over this, since the nuns have been in disagreement with the bishops on a lot of stuff in recent years.

At some point I wouldn't be surprised to see the American Catholic Church sever itself from the Vatican: American Catholics have more in common with Episcopalians & British Anglicans than we do with the more traditional parts of the Roman Catholic Church.

Investigating them for what?

Getting too uppity.

Pretty much. It's supposedly a neutral study on the current state of the daily lives of individual women religious and of their communities in the US, in order to better address the needs of the communities, but nobody believes that and there's been *tons* of bitching within the Catholic press about it since it was first announced at least a year ago.

I almost wish the news about it hadn't leaked out to the general press -- as long as the pushback was coming from within it made the hierarchy's disconnect from our lives much clearer, and made those members of the hierarchy who were supposed to be leading the investigation very squeamish and willing to ask questions and join the pushback; there's a big part of me that's worried that with pressure and scorn from without - even as richly as it's deserved - the hierarchy is just going to hunker down and double down and whine about how misunderstood and persecuted they are, and the fence-sitters within the Church who'd been waffling on the investigation are going to side with the hierarchy out of sheer tribalism.

A plague on them all. Except the actual women religious, because nuns rock.

and the fence-sitters within the Church who'd been waffling on the investigation are going to side with the hierarchy out of sheer tribalism.

I don't think so.

I don't think so.

I earnestly hope not; but the humans, they are generally pretty disappointing.

Investigating them for what?

Getting too uppity.

Pretty much. It's supposedly a neutral study on the current state of the daily lives of individual women religious and of their communities in the US, in order to better address the needs of the communities, but nobody believes that

Okay, so I understand that it's not literally because nuns are getting too "uppity," but I'm still unclear as to what's *really* being investigated, since no one believes the "neutral study" cover story.

Are they acting independently of the Church? Advocating heresy?

My literal brain isn't really getting at the meaning, here.