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Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


amyth - Jul 12, 2012 10:17:04 am PDT #13508 of 30001
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen

Dude, if you can find them, I would love to see one!

I will look! I may have to resort to actual copying from the original, with all of the glue and such on it. But if it comes to that, I think I'll scan, like a real person-living-in-2012.

Western societal norms about body hair on women drive me crazy. And yet I shave my legs and my pits, because I just don't want to deal with feeling judged if I don't. Bleh.

Me too. Well, I shave my pits partially because I don't want to be judged and partially because I've gotten used to being hairless there. I start to feel sweaty and weird now if I let it go for too long. As far as my legs, I sometimes don't shave for a while in the winter, because I can actually go for weeks wearing wool tights every day. In NC. But I still feel self-conscious, because my skin is super-pale, and my hair is super-dark.


Scrappy - Jul 12, 2012 10:18:15 am PDT #13509 of 30001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I am going to go against the majority and say that rape can be used for humor, inasmuch as I think ANYTHING can be used for humor. Death, heartbreak, slavery, genocide--anything. However, it also matters how the humor is being used. If we are merely laughing at those hurt, that's different than laughing with them in recognition.


Jesse - Jul 12, 2012 10:20:44 am PDT #13510 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Good one, Scrappy.

As a child, I spent too much time at the beach staring out over the flat flat flat flat ocean, to be scared of big skies.

That's completely different! The ocean is always awesome. Flat land is always weird.


Jessica - Jul 12, 2012 10:23:22 am PDT #13511 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I am going to go against the majority and say that rape can be used for humor, inasmuch as I think ANYTHING can be used for humor.

I keep seeing this kind of comment, but what nobody seems to be able to explain is how "hey, wouldn't it be funny if five guys raped you right now" even remotely counts as a joke.


Consuela - Jul 12, 2012 10:24:02 am PDT #13512 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I concur, Scrappy.

That said, the proper reaction to someone complaining about your rape jokes is not to threaten her with gang rape. There's something wrong with the defensiveness about this, the same way there's something wrong with the way 4chan has gone after Anita Sarkeesian. It's the same damn thing.

In other news, Hollywood Reporter has a longass piece on the impact Katie Holmes' divorce from Tom Cruise will have on the Church of Scientology: [link]


Scrappy - Jul 12, 2012 10:25:08 am PDT #13513 of 30001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Oh, that's not a joke, Jess and I wouldn't claim it is. That's a comic attacking a heckler. Comics are VICIOUS to hecklers--you can find zillions of clips on youtube of comedians just eviscerating hecklers. They are very rarely funny.


§ ita § - Jul 12, 2012 10:26:59 am PDT #13514 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I am going to go against the majority and say that rape can be used for humor

I assume that's the majority...elsewhere? I have been avoiding this discussion, as noted. I think what this guy did to this woman was pretty deliberately cruel, and I think the general discussion of "is there such a thing as a rape joke?" is almost useless, because there wasn't such a thing as modern funny blackface, until there was.

I just think that all jokes aren't always worth telling, to everyone. And this is so not a free speech issue, as I've seen claimed in my limited exposure. I hate when people say I shouldn't have a negative opinion on what they said, because free speech. Yer Constitution is in my pants, bucko.


le nubian - Jul 12, 2012 10:27:58 am PDT #13515 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I read the Tom Cruise piece. I can't stand him, so this is the kind of shit I will read.

I thought the "Free Katie" t-shirt suggestions 5 years ago were amusing. Not so amusing in retrospect.

I feel really badly for Nicole Kidman.


tommyrot - Jul 12, 2012 10:28:18 am PDT #13516 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

The ocean is always awesome.

Once I went swimming in Lake Michigan, and there were these swells so when I got far enough from the shore and was at the bottom of a swell, I couldn't see land at all.

I thought that was so cool--the feeling of being totally cut off from land and completely alone... until the lifeguard yelled at me that I was too far from shore. So I started swimming back. Then I got tired and started to wonder if I could make it. So I told myself the alternative was to die, which motivated me enough to make it back and not die.

So the moral of the story is, "Large bodies of water are awesome! Also, don't drown."


Jessica - Jul 12, 2012 10:29:02 am PDT #13517 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

So the moral of the story is, "Large bodies of water are awesome! Also, don't drown."

I concur!