Buffy: You tossed that vamp like he was a... little teeny vamp. Riley: You wanna go again? C'mon. I bet this place is just teeming with aerodynamic vampires.

'Help'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Cass - Nov 16, 2011 10:11:51 am PST #7088 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I'm going back to Suri's Burn Book. It's the only thing that makes sense in the world right now.

This. Well, this and the scrambled eggs that I just made for lunch using the very dregs of my fridge are really amazing.

I know some really amazing Catholics and it makes me sad that they or more like them are not in charge.


Amy - Nov 16, 2011 10:15:16 am PST #7089 of 30001
Because books.

the scrambled eggs that I just made for lunch

Come over? I'm eating cheese puffs because I feel crappy and therefore too lazy to make real food.

The traditions and rituals of the Catholic Church have always fascinated me. So much of it is so beautiful, and it was so mysterious to a white bread Presbyterian growing up. But the Catholic Church is so much more than just a church, and always has been. Which makes it hard to change, I guess, and a lot more powerful than it probably should be.


Ginger - Nov 16, 2011 10:22:39 am PST #7090 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Liberation theory was a movement, mostly in South America, that the church should be actively involved in human rights and alleviating poverty, even if that meant being involved in revolutionary movements. You know, kind of like that guy Jesus. (This is a very simplistic explanation.)


Jesse - Nov 16, 2011 10:23:12 am PST #7091 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Buncha dirty hippies, is what.


Sue - Nov 16, 2011 10:30:02 am PST #7092 of 30001
hip deep in pie

My family priest, growing up, was sent to us directly from El Salvador where he was very involved with LT movement. He was sent home in the early 1980s for being too involved.


JZ - Nov 16, 2011 10:30:12 am PST #7093 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Liberation theology is, well, a frelling huge concept, with tens of thousands of pages of study and talk unpacking it, but at heart and at its simplest it's about taking Christ's parable about separating out those who know Him from those who don't, about visiting prisoners, feeding the starving, caring for the ill and the helpless and generally trying to live justly and make this shitty world at least marginally least shitty for those with the fewest resources, and putting it into action, including action that may seriously upset the established religious and political powers that be.

It was first fully and thoroughly articulated by Peruvian theologian Gustavo Gutierrez in 1971 (he's still alive! 83 and teaching at Notre Dame! I didn't even realize that!); good quick summary here.

St. Francis of Assisi and Mother Jones were totally proto-liberation theologians. Archbishop Romero, Bishop Tutu, the many-too-many clergy, missionary and lay martyrs of Central and South America, liberation theologians. MLK Jr., the Berrigan brothers, Dorothy Day, the Thanksgiving Day marchers every year at the gates of the School of the Americas, liberation theologians.

And the post-post-Vatican II Church is scared shitless of it, and people who talk it, defend it and try to live it are generally shouted down as Marxists nowadays.


Steph L. - Nov 16, 2011 10:34:48 am PST #7094 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

STOP PASSING THE BUCK, POPE.

He could take a lesson from JoePa, frankly. (JoePa's statement that, in hindsight, he wished he had done more. It's too little, too late, and yet it's WAY better than the flaily "Not our fault!" statement that the Pope made.)

And the post-post-Vatican II Church is scared shitless of it

I don't get that (which may also be a part of why going back to the church is not right for me) -- what is the church about, if not to make things better for the people in most dire need?


Jesse - Nov 16, 2011 10:34:53 am PST #7095 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Erin, insent to your profile address.


Ginger - Nov 16, 2011 10:40:43 am PST #7096 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

what is the church about, if not to make things better for the people in most dire need?

Ha ha ha ha ha.

It's to collect money, maintain power and protect the status quo, while trying to enforce a standard of sexual behavior that keeps the poor poor.


Allyson - Nov 16, 2011 10:45:02 am PST #7097 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Atheism, though terrifying, seems much less annoying. The closest thing I have to any sort of teaching is probably Sagan's Pale Blue Dot.

Mostly the stuff that scares me is shit I shouldn't care about. Like the sun becoming a red giant, turning the earth into vapor and dust, and everything that ever happened being snuffed out, with no one to ever know we were even here. In 4.5 billion years. It freaks me out.