wrod. I think Oprah Winfrey told her accountant not to use loopholes when she files, which I remember cause she said her accountant hated to do it, but that's just iirc.

But the point is, there is no law that says that they can't pay the higher tax rate if they wish to do so. They can pay the higher rate.

Can you? Wouldn't the IRS just send you a refund?

Yeah, you can. You don't have to take the refund. You can pay at the larger rate if you wish.

Either pay your taxes at your secretary's rate AND give more to charities that fall in line with your ideologies, which you can clearly afford, or don't. But don't bitch about it when you can absolutely do something about it. It's disingenuous.

Well, I agree with his argument that the rich should pay more taxes and I'm glad he made that argument. The fact that his own behavior is arguably inconsistent with his argument doesn't bother me much, as his own behavior doesn't affect the validity of his argument that the rich should be required to pay more taxes.

I dunno--maybe it should bother me more. It's just a gut-reaction (or lack of one) on my part, so I don't know if it's right.

But don't bitch about it when you can absolutely do something about it. It's disingenuous.

I agree that he (and Buffett et al) can and ought to put their money where their mouths are, but I do find some use in rich people saying, "No, really, tax me more, it's cool" as a counterpoint to the "Oh noes if we tax the rich peoples ALL THE JOBS WILL GO AWAY FOREVERS" hysteria.

I guess I'm super prickly about Simmons since he keeps showing up at OWS camps and saying and doing stupid shit.

It's one of those things where I feel, you know, GET OFF MY SIDE.

I'm not asking anyone else to join me in my annoyance. Just venting.

I can finally eat a wrap, but a real sandwich with two pieces of bread is still too much for me.

I can eat more bread than I used to, too - don't know why. Still can't eat a lot. Pepperidge Farm makes Very Thin Sliced bread. It's very thin. 2 slices is less bread than in one regular slice. I started using this for sandwiches. It's nice to be able to eat a sandwich again!

Oh, I totally feel you, Allyson. Smonster has a point, though.

You know, with all the yelling about how we can't cut taxes on high incomes or capital gains (which is where a lot of the income comes from), I look at what these people have and think, "how much is enough?" I'll see stories about people with multiple houses and collections of expensive cars and private jets and paying ridiculous prices for things (someone cited $25,000 for a purse) and I wonder if there's a point at which they stop and think that they don't need one. more. thing.

I find it useful that they say it, but it would be far more meaningful if they said, "and so I make sure my accountants don't use loopholes and then tack on the amount I'd be paying if I were taxed at my secretary's rate, since I believe that's fair. I wish more people in my position would do the same."