I can hurt a demon!! That's right. I'm back. And I'm a BLOODY ANIMAL!

Spike ,'Showtime'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


amyth - Nov 15, 2011 2:17:10 am PST #6697 of 30001
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen

Happy Birthday, sumi!

Our newly-minted 7yo is in fine fettle this morning.

Excellent! Glad to hear it.

the U.S. gvnt has cures for both AIDS and cancer but keeps them secret

Yesterday was clearly Internet Douchebag Day, and we all barely escaped.

Happy America Recycles Day, everyone!


Tom Scola - Nov 15, 2011 2:48:52 am PST #6698 of 30001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

I got about four hours of sleep last night. I got two calls from work — unrelated — both of them were to tell me that there was a problem with a computer, without providing me any details about what computer, or even the problem was. And now I have to go into work into a building that's on lockdown and look out over a freaking war zone. I can't stop crying this morning. My life sucks so hard.


Anne W. - Nov 15, 2011 2:49:55 am PST #6699 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

{{{Tom}}} I am so sorry. I hope today ends up being a good one despite it all.


Hil R. - Nov 15, 2011 2:50:56 am PST #6700 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

{{{Tom}}}


Kat - Nov 15, 2011 3:23:18 am PST #6701 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Oh Tom, I am so very sorry. Four hours of sleep is not enough and lockdown work is no good. Is there a way to compartmentalize and just make it through the next hour and then reassess?


Sue - Nov 15, 2011 3:31:48 am PST #6702 of 30001
hip deep in pie

(((Tom)))


Allyson - Nov 15, 2011 3:32:53 am PST #6703 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

He responded. I failed. He hasn't heard of most of my list. But most male musicians pass his test.


Jessica - Nov 15, 2011 3:38:46 am PST #6704 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I HE failed. He hasn't heard of most of my list.

There, fixed that.

Tom, I'm so sorry.


brenda m - Nov 15, 2011 3:48:19 am PST #6705 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Lord, what a tool.

Tom, I'm sorry things are so shitty today.


Allyson - Nov 15, 2011 3:57:26 am PST #6706 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I responded:

According to your rules, people who also sing are not musicians. Because Thurston Moore and Kim Gordon were married, neither Thurston nor Kim are musicians on your list, if we apply the same rules to men.

The Beatles? A boy band. And they were all singers. The Rolling Stones? A boy band. Robert Plant? Not a musician.

Fleetwood Mac? They all did each other. Jimi Hendrix? A singer. Kurt Cobain? Singer. Dave Grohl? Singer. I did come up wit Mitch Mitchell, who did not sing backup in the Jimi Hendrix Experience.

Keith Richards cannot count as a musician because he's in an all-boy band.

Your rules are arbitrary, and since you seem to be the one who can decide whether or not a band or musician in well-known (and the criteria of being well-known is that you know who they are, which is absurd given that you have no idea who Liz Phair is).

And when your rules are applied equally: No boy bands, no mixed gender bands in which the male is a singer or has slept with another member of the band, etc) it doesn't work for you, either.

If you've no idea who Sonic Youth is, or the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, or Liz Phair, I would submit that you haven't read an issue of Rolling Stone or Spin in the last 20 years. This would make you not very familiar with rock and roll.

So you've purposely set up requirements that discount Patti Smith's guitar. These same requirements also knock Hendrix out. And Cobain. Go ahead. Give it a whirl. Give me your well-known male musician who is not a singer, in all boy band, or has slept with another member of the band.

David Bowie? Not a rock musician. Springsteen? Doesn't pass your test. In fact, the only thing keeping Clarence and Little Steven on the musician list is that Patty Scialfa in in the E Street band, making them NOT an all-boy band. Yay for Patti. Is she not well-known? She can't count as a musician, though, since Bruce.

Give me your list of well-known male musicians who are not in all boy bands, aren't singers, and don't sleep with any of the members of the bands they're in. You cannot count Billy Joel, Rage Against the Machine, or Soundgarden.

And then apply weirdly arbitrary rules to philosophers as well, since that's your analogy.

How about we don't count philosophers who are primarily professors and use apple computers?

If your point is that sometimes men bend backward to create weirdly arbitrary rules in order to discount the accomplishments of women (you can't count as a musician if you sing = you count count as a philosopher if you type your papers in Times New Roman?) then you've made an excellent point, and I agree.