I'm not sure how old he is, but I heard him use the word 'newfangled' one time, so he's gotta be pretty far gone.

Dawn ,'Beneath You'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


amych - Nov 10, 2011 9:16:25 am PST #5859 of 30001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

(Except that "amateur" is such an incredibly fucked-up concept, and I have a whole other rant about that, and. God I need to shut up and work.)


smonster - Nov 10, 2011 9:18:41 am PST #5860 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

I believe I know which one you mean, and if it's true, I might be physically ill.

Ditto. Oh, god.


erikaj - Nov 10, 2011 9:18:56 am PST #5861 of 30001
Always Anti-fascist!

Yeah, I feel sorry that when the coach screwed up and failed someone, he did it in such a huge way. That *is* too bad.


smonster - Nov 10, 2011 9:20:25 am PST #5862 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

And yet he absolutely failed in his moral duty to protect kids who were abused, and that is a terrible thing.

And he admitted that in his statement, that it was a huge regret of his. Which means, at this point, I have slightly more respect for Paterno than Spanier.


Hil R. - Nov 10, 2011 9:21:17 am PST #5863 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Ultimately, I think this is a reflection of the corrupting nature of big money college sports. After years of turning a blind eye to supporters' supplying cars, apartments, cash and hookers to top players and to professors passing athletes who can't read, your vision gets cloudy.

Actually, Penn State really hasn't had most of those problems you listed. That's been a point of pride here for a while, and usually attributed to Paterno's influence. I'm sure some of it was going on under the radar, but Penn State's team has one of the highest graduation rates, and up until this week, people bragged about how we're one of only two schools that's never had an NCAA violation. The program isn't perfect, but in terms of bribes and academics, it's better than most.


Hil R. - Nov 10, 2011 9:22:18 am PST #5864 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

And he admitted that in his statement, that it was a huge regret of his. Which means, at this point, I have slightly more respect for Paterno than Spanier.

Absolutely.


§ ita § - Nov 10, 2011 9:24:51 am PST #5865 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Okay, y'all made me go to HuffPo. I feel nasty. And I've only read the headline. I diverted to read this, which I know doesn't qualify for goodstuff, but it's the sort of shit that makes me cry good tears at the same time as sad ones:

On Friday, November 4th, an unknown assailant aggressively grabbed a 12-year-old female student outside of a bathroom at George Washington Carver Middle School, while she was waiting for a classmate -- in broad daylight.

The man "forcefully pull[ed] her while making a sexual remark," states the LAPD. The young girl fell to the ground and began screaming as the attacker dragged her approximately 15 feet from where he had initially approached her.

The classmate she was waiting for, along with two additional 7th grade male students, ran towards the attacker and joined the struggle. According to the LAPD, the girl's peers demanded that the man release her.

Unfortunately the guy is still on the loose. But the girl is okay. This is how you act, for fuck's sake.


Amy - Nov 10, 2011 9:25:10 am PST #5866 of 30001
Because books.

Penn State's team has one of the highest graduation rates, and up until this week, people bragged about how we're one of only two schools that's never had an NCAA violation. The program isn't perfect, but in terms of bribes and academics, it's better than most.

This. It's one of the reasons I'm betting this is hard to accept for a lot of people. But what Kate said is also very true. Paterno being a really good guy and also failing to do a really important thing aren't mutually exclusive.

Cash, was that the article about the further allegations that may break about Sandusky?


Cashmere - Nov 10, 2011 9:27:10 am PST #5867 of 30001
Now tagless for your comfort.

Amy, yup.


DavidS - Nov 10, 2011 9:27:55 am PST #5868 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

The allegations are already out that Sandusky pimped out kids to high paying donors, and that the university knew about it and covered it up.