Okay, um, I'm lost. Uh, I'm angry, and I'm armed, so if you two have something that you need to work out --

Mal ,'War Stories'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


erikaj - Nov 10, 2011 8:30:50 am PST #5836 of 30001
Always Anti-fascist!

We haven't really been following the story, comparatively. (And I don't really know who Paterno is, so it's weird to me watching grown-ass people act like they found out there's no Football Santa Claus.) My mother wondered why the graduate student didn't "kick the assistant's ass", much less fail to call the law. I mean, it's one thing to have That Employee(my mom has one at her job right now, and it's NFG) whom you sort of think might be...untoward in those kinds of ways, it's another to witness things.


DavidS - Nov 10, 2011 8:31:21 am PST #5837 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Great tagline, Hec. Love that Soft Boys song.

I was also tempted by the "jewel encrusted hand" line. You get so many great images with Robyn.


DavidS - Nov 10, 2011 8:33:07 am PST #5838 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

My mother wondered why the graduate student didn't "kick the assistant's ass", much less fail to call the law. I mean, it's one thing to have That Employee(my mom has one at her job right now, and it's NFG) whom you sort of think might be...untoward in those kinds of ways, it's another to witness things.

It's such a weirdly entrenched and hierarchical culture that it would be like a deacon turning in a bishop, or a private blowing the whistle on a colonel.


ChiKat - Nov 10, 2011 8:37:59 am PST #5839 of 30001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

I want to live in a world where you don't have to be "state mandated" to report an adult raping a child to the police. Where every adult feels the same responsibility to protect kids, or anyone being abused.

I agree with this. I brought it up because I'm trying to see where those involved were legally at fault as opposed to ethically/morally/humanly at fault (which they totally were). People are calling for Paterno and others to be arrested and I'm trying to understand if there is a legal leg to stand on there.

I have a friend (a teacher) who had a coworker that she suspected having sexual relationship with students. For years she tried to get evidence but never could. She finally did (by walking in in him with 2 different students at 2 different points in the SAME DAY). She reported him. He's been arrested and charged (awaiting trial). She gets accosted at the grocery store by his supporters wanting to know why she "did this to him." It's turned in to this huge ugly mess where he says he's innocent and she did this to get his job.


erikaj - Nov 10, 2011 8:38:58 am PST #5840 of 30001
Always Anti-fascist!

Yeah, but it's terrible thinking that means looking at a kid getting violated as part of their culture. I am kind of afraid that Mr. S. will cross the line from Skeevy Older Guy to Full-on Perv.


meara - Nov 10, 2011 8:41:22 am PST #5841 of 30001

she suspected having sexual relationship with students. For years she tried to get evidence but never could. She finally did (by walking in in him with 2 different students at 2 different points in the SAME DAY).

DUDE. Seriously?!? If you get walked in on doing something illegal and immoral earlier in the day, you still have the balls to do it AGAIN, with someone ELSE, later in the day?!? WTF, dude.


§ ita § - Nov 10, 2011 8:42:28 am PST #5842 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

with someone ELSE, later in the day?!? WTF, dude.

Well, obviously he was interrupted the first time. Der.


ChiKat - Nov 10, 2011 8:42:36 am PST #5843 of 30001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

DUDE. Seriously?!? If you get walked in on doing something illegal and immoral earlier in the day, you still have the balls to do it AGAIN, with someone ELSE, later in the day?!? WTF, dude.

Yes. And at school. (FYI, we're talking high school here.)


Jessica - Nov 10, 2011 8:52:05 am PST #5844 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Jessica, my mother thinks she went to college with your aunt. Bryn Mawr 1971? And my mother says my grandparents knew "the Ransohoffs" (which, not sure) well.

Kathy? Of it might have been one of their cousins - Sally, Lela, or Martha.

There are also an awful lot of 2nd cousins it could be...

(And then, because there was a Ransohoff-Westheimer marriage in 2 separate generations, there are several branches of both families where the relationships get really hard to map. I went to college with a girl who was my 3rd and 4th cousin, from different sides of the family.)


Liese S. - Nov 10, 2011 8:52:15 am PST #5845 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Not apropos of this conversation, I give you: Old Docs, New Docs.