Joyce: You don't think it's too obvious? I think I look like I have a cat on my head. Buffy: But a very well groomed cat. Joyce: Well that's a comfort.

'Bring On The Night'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Amy - Nov 10, 2011 4:52:46 am PST #5772 of 30001
Because books.

I think Paterno was being incredibly naive in thinking that he could coach the rest of the season, just for that reason. It wouldn't be about football at all, but a constant media circus.


Rick - Nov 10, 2011 5:00:32 am PST #5773 of 30001

My wife pointed out this morning that the (ex) President of Penn State is the same guy who developed the Dyadic Adjustment Scale, the most widely used measure of relationship satisfaction (I've used it in my own research), and was at one time a prominent researcher in family studies.

This added potential professional embarassment to the whole situation, so I quickly checked his bio to find out that he is a sociologist, not a psychologist, so that makes him sociology's problem, not mine.

Still, just more evidence that he had the knowledge to do the right thing, just not the will.


Amy - Nov 10, 2011 5:05:41 am PST #5774 of 30001
Because books.

Honestly, aside from the dozens of disadvantaged kids who were likely sexually abused (beyond the ones we know about), the rioting is the most upsetting thing about this. Trashing a news van? Rioting at all? Because a beloved coach got fired, when KIDS WERE RAPED? I hope they're all expelled, seriously. Youthful idealism and enthusiasm is one thing, but blind ignorance and disrespect is another.


Steph L. - Nov 10, 2011 5:08:11 am PST #5775 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Dang. We're talking about Penn State here at work, and Chatty!Co-worker said he understood how the GA could have walked away without calling the police or making waves about seeing Sandusky rape a child.

I asked what is there to understand in that situation, beyond an adult man raping a child in front of you?

Chatty said the GA grew up in that town (I have no idea if that's true), and was part of the Penn State Football Culture, and the idea of speaking out and destroying what he loved was just too big.

I said, well, I *don't* understand anyone for whom goddamn football, even the Big Football Culture you grew up with, trumps the welfare of a child being raped.

Chatty said, "I don't know what I would do if I were in that locker room -- there's no way to know how you would react in that situation."

I gaped for a minute, and said, "You have a SON. Are you KIDDING me?"

He said no, he can't know how he'd react in a situation like that.

I said, "I do."

He said, "It must be nice to have such moral certainty," really sarcastically. (Perhaps because I'm known for being an amoral jackass? I don't know.)

And I squinted at him for a moment again, and said, "It is nice."

I'm kind of stunned and a little sick to my stomach.


Hil R. - Nov 10, 2011 5:08:54 am PST #5776 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Chatty said the GA grew up in that town (I have no idea if that's true)

It is true.


Amy - Nov 10, 2011 5:11:03 am PST #5777 of 30001
Because books.

Jesus, Steph. *I* would have jumped the guy and screamed my head off, and I'm five feet four inches of no muscle tone. And it's not just because I have kids, although that plays into it.

Chatty sounds like someone I don't want to know.

I do believe that the grad student grew up there, though, and was a former player. I don't understand how that enabled him to walk away, but I guess that's between him and his conscience.


Steph L. - Nov 10, 2011 5:11:04 am PST #5778 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Chatty said the GA grew up in that town (I have no idea if that's true)

It is true.

Okay, thanks. I haven't read a lot of articles about it because it just makes me sick.


Steph L. - Nov 10, 2011 5:15:17 am PST #5779 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Chatty sounds like someone I don't want to know.

He's got a really surprising attitude of moral relativism about pretty much everything.

The man has a SON, and doesn't know how he'd respond if he saw an adult raping a boy his son's age? Seriously?

(Which is not to say that it's okay if childless people would say they wouldn't know how they'd respond. I just feel like having a kid kicks it up a notch.)


sj - Nov 10, 2011 5:15:59 am PST #5780 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I like Chatty less every time I hear a story about him.


Sparky1 - Nov 10, 2011 5:16:19 am PST #5781 of 30001
Librarian Warlord

I can't really speak about Penn State because my rage is so off the charts. Frankly, I think that the whole football program should be shut down. If the culture is so fucking warped that that damn game is more important to these people than the hell those children went through and will continue to have to deal with, then I think that culture should be torn down.