You're nice, and you're funny and you don't smoke, and okay, werewolf, but that's not all the time. I mean, three days out of the month, I'm not much fun to be around, either.

Willow ,'Get It Done'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


brenda m - Mar 30, 2012 5:32:36 am PDT #28772 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Perhaps I overestimate the impact of a decent thought experiment and just paying attention to the labels on the bathroom. I don't believe risking a UTI or severe discomfort is going to change anything except how I think....and I don't think it would actually change how I think either. I believe more in efforts that have a lower bar to entry, with a high realisation payoff. If the bar to entry is too high, only people that already get it will do it.

Full disclosure: have not read article.

That said - if offices and public spaces are set up in a way that leaves a trans person generally unable to meet basic needs, and I've no doubt that is still more common than is comfortable, then that is wrong for a host of reasons. If "and horrors, they could get a UTI!" is where you clue into that, ur doing it wrong.


Tom Scola - Mar 30, 2012 5:36:06 am PDT #28773 of 30001
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

I've heard good things about Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, but then again, I can't even draw a decent stick-figure.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 30, 2012 5:38:35 am PDT #28774 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Our office has unlabeled single-user restrooms, but there's one that's customarily used as the women's and one that's mainly mine with some use by co-workers' visiting kids and the occasional tradesman. We're a small enough operation that there's no big deal if someone needs to use the "other" bathroom due to occupancy - they're more like water closets in a private home than public restrooms anyway.


Jesse - Mar 30, 2012 5:55:24 am PDT #28775 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Speaking of gender and bathrooms, there was a letter in an advice column this morning from a lesbian who was wicked offended when people in "exotic locales" questioned her in the bathroom, because she's not even that butch! This is the problem with individuals: I agree the actual issue is a problem, but the person presenting the problem made me roll my eyes.

Oh, here it is -- my local paper didn't have the inflammatory headline: [link]


askye - Mar 30, 2012 6:00:31 am PDT #28776 of 30001
Thrive to spite them

I think there's a difference between being emphatic and knowing intellectually that this is an issue and then actually being faced with the realities every day for a month.

When I go to the restroom at work I don't think "well some of my customers wouldn't be able to use this restroom." But if I'm doing this challenge and can't use the restroom and I think the closest one I could use is at the mall (I think they have a family restroom) then I'll be more conscious of the situation.

Or if I buy clothes and I can't try them on because all the changing rooms are male and female.

When I go to the movies I usually pee right before and then sometimes have to sneak out during the movie and then go after the movie.

So if I do this challenge the movie theater is probably out.

And even though people aren't holding signs or making a public display of why they aren't using public restrooms their friends or family will probably notice and ask and then people can share about the challenge that way.


smonster - Mar 30, 2012 6:02:31 am PDT #28777 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

askye said what I was trying to say.


erikaj - Mar 30, 2012 6:09:49 am PDT #28778 of 30001
Always Anti-fascist!

I still pretty much expect not to go to the bathroom in public.I can't by myself, for one thing, and for another, a lot of places kind of stick the Wheelie Guy up and call things accessible when they are not(Yes, there are supposed to be uniform standards and they are not supposed to be able to, but... it still happens) The end result being that I probably have a more trained bladder than those soldiers Eliot was stuck with on that one Leverage.


Polter-Cow - Mar 30, 2012 6:35:42 am PDT #28779 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

From my little sister:

My friend named her hard drive "That Ass" so that every month, her computer will ask her if she wants to back "That Ass" up.


§ ita § - Mar 30, 2012 6:35:43 am PDT #28780 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If "and horrors, they could get a UTI!" is where you clue into that, ur doing it wrong.

By "you" do you mean me? I'm confused. And possibly offended, but I don't know who you're talking about.

their friends or family will probably notice and ask and then people can share about the challenge that way.

It's not my statement, and I can do anything I want, but that's what I'd prioritise. However, if I did it, a month would go by, and unless I started talking to people about my bathroom habits, no one would be any the wiser, and profile wouldn't have been raised one whit.

Is that the point? That I should be talking to people about when I need to use the restroom? That I'm privileged because I don't? That this is a taste of what it means to be trans, to have to have it be something that's discussed in public?

Maybe that's it. Maybe it's just me being smug because I thought about it already, but in my head, I angle for accessible, shareable statements, not internal ones that ask for a commitment that mean I'm already on board.

So it could be that simple, that I think of my aunt sniping in the women's restroom "Well, you look like a monkey and they let you use it!" when someone expressed discomfort at my butch cousin (now FTM) using it too.

I already know which public venues I frequent don't have gender-neutral change and rest rooms. I'm already disturbed by it. I'd just have to be way more disturbed to consider not using them for a month. And the month wouldn't make me more disturbed, or more, well, anything.

However, it's being discussed here now, so even if no one takes it on, that's one more discussion than before they suggested it.

Completely unrelatedly, I am in the office, and there's a note saying "I figured you may need this one day, so I printed it out for you. Happy Hunting--P" attached to a picture of this. Which is so damned nice.


§ ita § - Mar 30, 2012 6:36:09 am PDT #28781 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

every month, her computer will ask her if she wants to back "That Ass" up.

If that's as rarely as she's backing that thang up, she's doing it way wrong.