Kaylee: H-how did you... g-get on...? Early: Strains the mind a bit, don't it? You think you're all alone. Maybe I come down the chimney, Kaylee. Bring presents to the good girls and boys.

'Objects In Space'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


sumi - Mar 27, 2012 11:42:46 am PDT #28317 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Argh. I am soooo tired. Want to go home. . .


Zenkitty - Mar 27, 2012 11:43:42 am PDT #28318 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

What would replacing the whole system entail/do? Other new parts? Something to your house? Cheaper bills down the line?

Since this system is old, parts will keep breaking. Replacing it now means less hassle and maybe less expense down the line. Replacing it will also probably lower my electric bills a bit, since a new system won't have to work as hard as the old system apparently is.


Zenkitty - Mar 27, 2012 11:49:22 am PDT #28319 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Don't know how representative this is, but at least your sister is not basing her dislike of Trane heat pumpos on nothing. Don't know if these are outliers rather than typical.

You know, no matter what the thing is, some of them are going to suck, and some of them will be superlative. You can find complaints on the Internet about everything. Not that it's nothing, but I can't base my decision on a handful of complaints from strangers.


Ginger - Mar 27, 2012 11:55:11 am PDT #28320 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

It really doesn't make sense to just replace the compressor. Today's models will be at least 30% more efficient. What's your electricity supplier?

(I'd be happy to talk you through it. I've written way too many articles and brochures about heat pumps.)


JenP - Mar 27, 2012 12:03:43 pm PDT #28321 of 30001

I almost didn't click on the link about removing words, because of @@, but I'm glad I did -- I had figured it was some [group with which I would disagree about almost everything], but it was the NYC Dept. of Education. That's really depressing.

I can see an agency's not wanting to have references to, say, alcohol, weapons, gambling, and porn on a standardized test, so I'll allow it. (But, really, how likely is it that there would be a paragraph on gun-toting porn stars boozing it up at the casinos in Vegas?) But as for the rest? I shake my head wearily at the NYC DoE.


Typo Boy - Mar 27, 2012 12:38:14 pm PDT #28322 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Yeah, the complaints are mainly an indication that it is worth doing some research. And your description makes it clear that it is an air source heat pump. A ground source heat pump would have an extensive network pipes underground. Any the price would be too low for a ground source.


Typo Boy - Mar 27, 2012 12:54:07 pm PDT #28323 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

This is not a trivial purchase,so you should take the trouble to make sure the quality is decent. Actually more important that saving a grand. Constant repair bills will add up past the 1000 dollar mark quickly. So I'm not really supportive on a purchase like this just saying "this is what money is for" rather than taking the time to get the right heat pump. At minimum make sure you can get a ten year warranty on the whole unit (not just the compressor) that covers parts and labor. Somewhere there are trustworthy ratings on heat pumps. Maybe your sister could do the research on that one. Or maybe Ginger knows, since she has been on the detail edge on this.


Zenkitty - Mar 27, 2012 1:03:15 pm PDT #28324 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

It really doesn't make sense to just replace the compressor. Today's models will be at least 30% more efficient. What's your electricity supplier?

That's what I think too. Replacing the whole thing makes more sense. Energy supplier is Dominion, in Virginia.

(I'd be happy to talk you through it. I've written way too many articles and brochures about heat pumps.)

And I'll be happy for any advice!

Typo, yes, it is an air-source heat pump, then.


Ginger - Mar 27, 2012 1:09:38 pm PDT #28325 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Modern heat pumps are pretty reliable. Usually what's more important is getting a quality installation and a service contract. Your utility may have a financing program and probably some kind of rebate program. Your electricity bill will be lower, but estimating how much lower requires witchcraft.

The first thing to be suspicious of is a company that quotes you a heat pump size based on your saying "I have a three-bedroom house." If someone doesn't come out and do a lot of measuring and the Manual J calculations, he doesn't have a clue. Here's a good guide to that. [link]


Zenkitty - Mar 27, 2012 1:17:27 pm PDT #28326 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Modern heat pumps are pretty reliable.

Good to know. I'm comfortable with the quality of the company and their technicians. Service contract, definitely. Rebates, available. Don't need to know exactly how much lower the bill will be. (Not worth firing up the ol' pentagram...) Someone's coming out tomorrow to do measurements and calculations. Thanks for that link! I will peruse it at length tonight.