Right, there comes a point where you have to either move on, or just buy yourself a Klingon costume and go with it.

Xander ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


meara - Mar 22, 2012 4:07:31 pm PDT #27764 of 30001

I got "Creation" which is too short!


flea - Mar 22, 2012 4:16:03 pm PDT #27765 of 30001
information libertarian

More seriously, choice feminism isn't really about superficial stuff like leg hair and high heels. It's more about economics: can it be a feminist choice to stay home with children, as doing so in many cases sacrifices your financial stability (women who do not work for pay sacrifice their contributions to social security and work-related retirement accounts, and in many cases reduce their long-term career potential.) I personally struggle with this stuff a lot, as someone who considers herself a feminist but has moved 4 times for my husband's career (he's never moved for mine) and is currently facing very little in the way of professional prospects in my chosen career because I am geographically restricted. And I'm planning, for the first time, to stay home with my kids this summer. The biggest reason for the choices we've made as a couple? mr. flea is an engineer (a still male-dominated field), and makes nearly 3 times the highest salary I've ever made in a female-dominated field. But there's no denying that if he ran off with a teva-wearing field biologist and divorced me, I would be financially pretty fucked.


Hil R. - Mar 22, 2012 4:24:27 pm PDT #27766 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

"the series of acts or operations performed in the making of something" - 9 letters

algorithm?


Amy - Mar 22, 2012 4:25:48 pm PDT #27767 of 30001
Because books.

But there's no denying that if he ran off with a teva-wearing field biologist and divorced me, I would be financially pretty fucked.

I feel this way, too, even though S. and I have made fairly equitable pay most of the time. But that's due mostly to my lack of higher education and all of professional experience being in a field mostly centered in a city where I no longer live.


§ ita § - Mar 22, 2012 4:36:11 pm PDT #27768 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If they would advocate for it to be socially acceptable for women to have visible leg hair if they choose to do so, so much the better

Did they ever say it wasn't? I'm not sure how I ended up with such a different impression of choice feminism, but there you go.


Jesse - Mar 22, 2012 4:37:09 pm PDT #27769 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Isn't the old-school feminist stereotype that leg hair is required? I've never heard of "choice feminism."


flea - Mar 22, 2012 4:47:14 pm PDT #27770 of 30001
information libertarian

I think the feminist party platform stopped requiring leg hair in about 1982. Also I think you're allowed to be a Hooters Girl now, but only if you have a BA in semiotics from Brown.


Jesse - Mar 22, 2012 4:50:46 pm PDT #27771 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Oh, sure -- I'm not trying to imply it's a real issue for the vast majority of people in the world.


askye - Mar 22, 2012 4:51:26 pm PDT #27772 of 30001
Thrive to spite them

I'd never heard of choice feminism either. I had to look it up.

I don't think it's feminist to be subservient if a woman is staying at home and not working with the reasoning that women should be "helpmates" to men or that women are "naturally" better at running a household and women need men to take care of them/run their lives/whatever.


Nora Deirdre - Mar 22, 2012 5:00:21 pm PDT #27773 of 30001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

At this point, I'll accept feminist support from anyone who actually, like, respects my privacy and reproductive health and choices, and doesn't propose and pass laws to keep me subservient to the patriarchy.

Um.