How's it sit? Pretty cunning, don'tchya think?

Jayne ,'The Message'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Tom Scola - Mar 22, 2012 2:39:54 pm PDT #27743 of 30001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Is male facial hair significantly thicker than female facial hair?

Every person is different, but in most instances, yes, it is.


flea - Mar 22, 2012 2:43:04 pm PDT #27744 of 30001
information libertarian

Where did I say choices should be taken away? I would like to see more choices available.


Amy - Mar 22, 2012 2:47:08 pm PDT #27745 of 30001
Because books.

The traditionally culturally acceptable choice is the easier choice.

It's easier in the sense that you won't be criticized (by the other tradition-followers) if you choose the traditional role/choice/career/whatever, but I think most of the time now you *can* make the other choices. You're just going to be asked to explain yourself more often, which is also your choice to do or not.


Nora Deirdre - Mar 22, 2012 2:47:21 pm PDT #27746 of 30001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

I have had many, many other women tell me that I'm "too girly" to be a "real" feminist.

rolls eyes forever.

Anyone who insists on those kinds of labels is not, as far as I'm concerned, working in any sort of ideological or political framework that I wish to be a part of.

In conclusion, people be crazy everywhere and affix personal agendas to all sorts of ideas, why should feminists be any different?

Men being feminists- I don't have a problem with it, but it does sound weird sometimes, depending on context, when they self-identify. Sometimes it pings the "Some of my best friends are black/gay/Asian/etc" tone that makes me take a second look to see if it's sincere. It seems almost radically political to affix that specific descriptor to a dude. Which is fine.

Note: my views do not claim to represent any brand or subsection of feminism. Just... Noraism, I guess. Liberal-white-lady-ism? Beerism?


JZ - Mar 22, 2012 2:52:36 pm PDT #27747 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

I think I last shaved my legs in 1988. I shave my armpits occasionally, when it's warm enough to wear tank tops and sleeveless dresses (which in San Francisco is approximately never). Most of the hair everywhere except right on my head is extremely faint to nonexistent, though, so I can't really front that it's a big feminist stance on my part. I *hope* it would be even if I were super-hairy, but I have no way of knowing.

There were two French girls in my high school, all effortlessly elegant with interesting cheekbones and long perfect hair, and they both had very hairy legs that they stubbornly kept not shaving, all through high school, just as if they were back in Paris. I remember thinking they were both seriously badass, though now I wonder if they either never noticed at all or just thought all the USian girls were insane.


askye - Mar 22, 2012 3:03:31 pm PDT #27748 of 30001
Thrive to spite them

Sometimes I see on Pinterest stuff like a picture of a vintage dress or a vintage apron and a message "I'm a bad feminist because I like aprons."

Or something like "I can't be a feminist because I want to be housewife."

Which, you know, if it's your choice and desire to be housewife and like aprons then it's not anti feminist.

As for the legs - my legs are super hairy and it's fairly visible so I shave, mostly. Although badly and I didn't shave my legs during winter. Will doesn't care. But it's hard to shave them in my current shower set up. So I bought an electric razor and it's not enough to get it smooth. But I can sit on the couch, watch tv, shave my legs until there's some very visible stubble.


§ ita § - Mar 22, 2012 3:11:34 pm PDT #27749 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Then it wouldn't be choice feminism, would it? I thought the whole point of the choice was to retain the traditional as a choice. Of course the new stuff is available..it's feminism. Disliking the choice, as far as I understood, meant disliking that corsets were still an option. That's the only way it differs, after all.

Or have I been misunderstanding this whole time and misusing the term choice feminism? Whoops! Faux pas!


hippocampus - Mar 22, 2012 3:11:36 pm PDT #27750 of 30001
not your mom's socks.

cause me to leave my cave; noting taken away from the glowy box people at ALL

JenP - I'm queen of the cave right now, and will likely be so until this project is done - so I hear you completely. I have a friend who comes by to get me for lunch, which saves me.

You and I will get together next week for coffee.


§ ita § - Mar 22, 2012 3:28:32 pm PDT #27751 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Okay, having checked, flea, I am confused. Choice feminism technically does have more options. That's why it's called what it's called. I'm not sure what you mean by adding even more. Which others?


JenP - Mar 22, 2012 3:34:01 pm PDT #27752 of 30001

I have a friend who comes by to get me for lunch, which saves me.

Right?? Those people who force me out into day (or night) light... or we mutually force each other out... those peeps are key.

I loved how askye randomly met a woman in a store, and they exchanged numbers and are going to get together. I aspire to things like that.