ita !, maybe the approach would be to talk about what you think feminism means. How would you define the word? And how are they defining it?
Jayne: Captain, can you stop her from bein' cheerful, please? Mal: I don't believe there is a power in the 'verse that can stop Kaylee from being cheerful. Sometimes you just wanna duct tape her mouth and dump her in the hold for a month.
'Serenity'
Natter 69: Practically names itself.
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Fred Pete - Mar 22, 2012 10:30:34 am PDT #27700 of 30001
Ann, that's a ferret.
Kate P. - Mar 22, 2012 10:34:59 am PDT #27701 of 30001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love
Often, it seems that the statement "I believe in equal rights for women, but I'm not a feminist" gets derided, but if you can't be a male feminist, it seems a perfectly cromulent thing to say, perhaps even if you're a woman. I'm wondering if there's an overlap in the people who'd attack that statement, and the people who'd attack the concept of male feminists.
Okay, I think this is the crux of what you're asking about, right? In my experience, I don't think there's a lot of overlap between the two groups, but I couldn't tell you there's none, either. Most people in the first group (people who'd deride that statement) would probably say that feminists *are* people who believe in equal rights for women, while most people in the second group (people who'd attack the concept of male feminists) are defining the term much more narrowly.
§ ita § - Mar 22, 2012 10:40:08 am PDT #27702 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'm not asking for any suggestions. I just wondered about the intersection between people who think men can't be feminists and the people who deride the I'm not a feminist but statement. Wondering what their justification was. I'm not trying to talk anyone out of anything. Just pondering their existence.
Also wondering what the definition was of feminism without men. Which Le n has summed up nicely.
I think it's bullshit and reductive and counter productive, but I don't have a vote.
le nubian - Mar 22, 2012 10:46:17 am PDT #27703 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
See, they would argue is isn't counterproductive, but claim yourself to be "anti-sexist."
le nubian - Mar 22, 2012 10:49:01 am PDT #27704 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
The Sandford, FL police chief has stepped down.
DavidS - Mar 22, 2012 10:52:41 am PDT #27705 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
The Sandford, FL police chief has stepped down.
Can he be sued for malpractice?
Strix - Mar 22, 2012 10:53:04 am PDT #27706 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger
I just saw that, le_n.
That's nice; now fucking arrest Zimmerman.
(Not yelling at you, just sick about the whole thing.)
Calli - Mar 22, 2012 10:53:19 am PDT #27707 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
Rita Mae Brown wrote in In Her Day that feminism could use an ecumenical council to realign the faithful. That was back in 1976. I don't think the movement has gotten any more monolithic since.
tommyrot - Mar 22, 2012 10:53:56 am PDT #27708 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
The Sandford, FL police chief has stepped down.
Cool. Hope things change with the investigation.
msbelle - Mar 22, 2012 10:54:34 am PDT #27709 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
I'll join Jesse in the crying at work corner. Man I just hate the constant emotional drain. Therapist says I need friends, intimate, dependable, lean on friends. I consider it a win that I did not throw anything at her when she said that.