Yeah, I don't think most of the male flight is deliberate. It's probably subconscious for the most part. And then there's less pay, and the guys are even less likely to go there for pay reasons, not just girl-cootie reasons. Etc, etc.
I know I'm a bad poet, but I'm a good man. All I ask is that... is that you try to see me—
William ,'Conversations with Dead People'
Natter 69: Practically names itself.
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
meara - Mar 21, 2012 6:31:56 am PDT #27503 of 30001
Jesse - Mar 21, 2012 6:36:40 am PDT #27504 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
It sounds like it's more of a case of the assholes not deciding to drop in in the first place. But if the medical and legal professions are ones in the midst of this process, where exactly is the money and status supposed to go? I'm skeptical of it settling in traditionally male bailiwicks like construction or the police and firefighting forces.
Yes and yes. And not even assholes, but people who live in our culture, where women's work IS undervalued (in all the ways) and it IS much worse for a man to "seem like a woman" than for a woman to "seem like a man" and... I just can't.
Nora Deirdre - Mar 21, 2012 6:42:48 am PDT #27505 of 30001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)
But if the medical and legal professions are ones in the midst of this process, where exactly is the money and status supposed to go?
High finance and software engineering. Probably engineering in general.
Jesse - Mar 21, 2012 6:47:39 am PDT #27506 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Luckily, engineering schools are still full of boys! Phew.
Nora Deirdre - Mar 21, 2012 6:52:26 am PDT #27507 of 30001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)
Also, politics.
Calli - Mar 21, 2012 7:03:05 am PDT #27508 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
I think this was also a thing in Soviet Russia (in Soviet Russia, gender issues study you!). Women became MDs in large numbers and men stopped doing so. Both the status and pay for MDs declined dramatically. Of course, pay issues in the Soviet Union had a number of factors affecting them.
Zenkitty - Mar 21, 2012 7:03:56 am PDT #27509 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
Just anecdata, but I'm sure I'm seeing more women in electrical engineering than I did a decade ago.
Gudanov - Mar 21, 2012 7:10:01 am PDT #27510 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping
Also, politics.
Hey now, Female representation at a national level in the U.S. only puts us at 78th place in the World, tied with Turkmenistan. That's better than North Korea at 83rd and if you listen to North Korea's press (and only their press) they are the greatest country in the world.
With a little improvement, we could surpass the United Arab Emirates.
Jessica - Mar 21, 2012 7:13:38 am PDT #27511 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
With a little improvement, we could surpass the United Arab Emirates.
U! S! A! U! S! A! We're number 77th! We're number 77th!
§ ita § - Mar 21, 2012 7:22:17 am PDT #27512 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
For Steph: [link]
And, any Supernatural fans, do you recognise the first two eps? I can't place them at all.