Right. Sir. Honey.

Zoe ,'The Train Job'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jessica - Mar 14, 2012 10:52:42 am PDT #26574 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Should I have to explain that guys are more into looks than women? Should I need to prove that? Or can you just think about your life's experiences?

It's times like this when I think about my life's experiences and how way too many of them include being lectured by douchebags on the internet.


Steph L. - Mar 14, 2012 11:01:52 am PDT #26575 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Should I have to explain that guys are more into looks than women? Should I need to prove that?

That's when you reply with Are You A Wizard. Because he clearly is.


Gudanov - Mar 14, 2012 11:09:58 am PDT #26576 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

Also he said that if people want insurance they should pay for it. And I pointed out again that 1) a lot of people can't afford it even if they work full time and 2) some people can't get insurance companies to cover them.

I think this boils down to deciding if we as a nation want to let people die in hospital waiting rooms because they can't afford treatment or in the case of children if they were irresponsible enough to be born to poor parents. Personally, I find that idea repugnant. I see it as putting ideology before morality and compassion. That isn't a formula that has led to good things in the past.

If we aren't going to let people die, then we are already subsidizing medical care for the uninsured; we're just doing it a very inefficient manner.


Allyson - Mar 14, 2012 11:10:48 am PDT #26577 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Also he said that if people want insurance they should pay for it.

Kind of like how he gets to drive on the roads he paid for? Or get the cops to come to his house if he's robbed because he paid for that service? Or the firefighter to put out a fire at his place? Why is this ok, but not health insurance? If it's not ok to pay taxes for police/fire/roads, will he walk the walk and not use any of these services? Will he refuse medicare?

What of children? Should they be made to work off their childhood vaccinations in a coal mine?

Also, I would like to refund the taxes he's paid for the space program. I'll write him a check, today. In exchange, he must turn over his electronic devices and not use any technology derived from NASA, ever.

This will immediately reduce askye's blood pressure. Two birds, one liberal socialist fascist feminist HUSSEIN stone.


askye - Mar 14, 2012 11:14:27 am PDT #26578 of 30001
Thrive to spite them

Gudanov - I defriended someone on Facebook because he said even though he "felt bad" that people died because of lack of access to health care or insurance he preferred that to people getting "handouts" (this was in private message comments).

I'm not arguing with Bird Feeder Dude anymore. I know that I can use straw men at times and I'm not the best at debates, but at least I can do better than - birds eat at bird feeders!


Steph L. - Mar 14, 2012 11:18:19 am PDT #26579 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I defriended someone on Facebook because he said even though he "felt bad" that people died because of lack of access to health care or insurance he preferred that to people getting "handouts" (this was in private message comments).

I know an ER doctor (a no-longer-friend from high school) who believes passionately that people should not have insurance at all and should have to pay out of pocket for everything.

Ironically, I ended up in his ER with chest pains a couple of years ago, and he was the Attending at the time. I wanted to ask him if he would be accepting the payment from my insurance or not. (But I didn't because I was more preoccupied with the possibility that I might die.)


§ ita § - Mar 14, 2012 11:18:58 am PDT #26580 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Okay, typography Scrabble and BatNails would drive me crazy both. Nuts! And I can't talk about Scrabble until I take three extremely late next turns.

Jezebel just wrote a weirdly BDSM-shamey (maybe I should say it's weirdly--stop being naive, girl) about 50 Shades of Grey. Maybe what's weird is that not one commenter called the author on the "but he's monogamous and respectful" part of the article. Why shouldn't he be? Because he whips her to orgasm, consensually? No, everyone's busy patting each other on the back about how recycling fanfic is beneath them, and people should read Kushiel's Dart for true to life BDSM instead.

Hmm, okay.

Speaking of scenes, do any Buffistas who participate therein bump into much raceplay? Is it done as publicly as other sorts of play? Gawker noted it as "advanced", and I can see as it might rile some people up, and also attract some undesirables. It would certainly freak me out much more than many sorts.


Gudanov - Mar 14, 2012 11:20:15 am PDT #26581 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

I know an ER doctor (a no-longer-friend from high school) who believes passionately that people should not have insurance at all and should have to pay out of pocket for everything.

Because ER care is so affordable.


Steph L. - Mar 14, 2012 11:26:15 am PDT #26582 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Jezebel just wrote a weirdly BDSM-shamey (maybe I should say it's weirdly--stop being naive, girl) about 50 Shades of Grey.

ARE YOU A WIZARD?

No, seriously, I just bought the damn e-book Monday night and finished it at lunch today. It is clearly recycled fanfic, it desperately needs nonconsensual editing, and there is one ENORMOUS assumption in there that makes me seethe with raaaaaaage (that people are kinky because of Big Ugly Trauma in their past).

That said, for a novel about BDSM, it's honestly not bad. Er, content-wise. The writing is...better than Dan Brown. That's about all I can say. t edit Was it Twilight fanfic? Because in the scene where the heroine meets the Brooding Dark Hero (think Spader from "Secretary" with a dash of Brosnan from "Thomas Crowne"), she literally trips and falls through his office door, and that is their first meeting. And I thought, "Oh no, you DIDN'T, Bella Swan!"

Speaking of scenes, do any Buffistas who participate therein bump into much raceplay? Is it done as publicly as other sorts of play? Gawker noted it as "advanced"

It's certainly not done publicly in my neck of the woods. I believe at one large weekend-long event (with classes and whatnot) there was a class on raceplay, presented by an African American submissive woman. t edit again Yeah, it was Mollena Williams, who's in the Jezebel article. I've read a little of her writing on it, and I think she'd agree that it's "advanced." I mean, simply because of centuries of ugly societal baggage, there be dragons.

It's complex, to say the least. And as a white woman, I won't even begin to posit whether raceplay is more complex in our society than male dom/female sub (because I think it's very difficult, given patriarchal yadda yadda, to be a woman and ask a man to hit me).


Gudanov - Mar 14, 2012 11:26:29 am PDT #26583 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

Just imagine what being able to get health insurance from the public sector would do to people trying to start their own business, or wanting to switch jobs to a start-up that can't afford good health insurance. There's a degree of freedom you'd gain for giving up having health care tied to your job.

It's not like you can even say you'll take a little gamble for awhile and get insurance once your business gets going. A gap in coverage can make for big trouble.