it's hard to reconcile those people (and the JZ's of the world) with what the broader institution really is.
I can't talk about it with JZ anymore because I get all rantypants.
I do spend a fair amount of time telling her to just "Schism already!" and split off a Super Liberal We Didn't Think Jesus Was Joshing When He Said Take Care of the Poor Plus We Love Teh Gays and Wimmins New Catholic Church.