And we live to fight another day.

Mal ,'Objects In Space'


Spike's Bitches 47: Someone Dangerous Could Get In  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


beekaytee - Jul 21, 2012 11:40:33 am PDT #17524 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

Clearly, that ended up being the problem!

I was especially interested in the Kozmo story because two friends were going through the exact same dissolution. It convinced me that young whizkid projects are doomed to fail without serious intervention from wiser minds.

Now that you mention it, I remember writing to the company when I heard they were in trouble, saying I would gladly pay a fee for the service to survive.

I blotted that out for some reason.


§ ita § - Jul 21, 2012 11:49:56 am PDT #17525 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Is there a reason one can't be a whizkid with enough business sense to stay afloat? Are you saying it never happens, or it's really that rare?

Sometimes the innovation the whizkid is having is the business model, isn't it?


beekaytee - Jul 21, 2012 11:57:22 am PDT #17526 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

Are you saying it never happens, or it's really that rare?

It does seem rare, though of course not impossible.

I'd point to Gates and Jobs as those whose business models clearly worked.

At the same time, I point to e-Dreams and Startup.com, Riot On! and my friend's company as sad examples of what seems like a common experience.


Ginger - Jul 21, 2012 12:04:05 pm PDT #17527 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I was sad when Webvan folded. They did an excellent job of grocery delivery, and in the years since, there's been times when I really needed Webvan or something like it. They did the classic trajectory of trying to get too big too fast and putting in millions of upfront costs without knowing if the market could support it.

There have been times when I'd pay quite a bit for ice cream or homemade soup.


§ ita § - Jul 21, 2012 12:09:01 pm PDT #17528 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There are just so many successes, all over the web, that it seems weird to call it rare. So many things are done so differently from how they were ten years ago--there are different ways to spend your money and different ways to earn it.

It doesn't feel rare at all. It feels like an interesting place to be.


NoiseDesign - Jul 21, 2012 12:15:48 pm PDT #17529 of 30001
Our wings are not tired

Yeah. I'd call Etsy a huge success and it was started by a carpenter who was making furniture out of 2x4s. I seem to remember Facebook being started by a college kid. There are plenty of examples of success


beekaytee - Jul 21, 2012 12:33:12 pm PDT #17530 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

Hands in the air, I declare, I replace 'rare' with 'happens.'

Moving on.

I've discovered Lush House on hulu. It's a delightful, calm, creative, cheap and practical version of Fly Lady.

Who knew there were so many uses for the nylon stockings I no longer wear?

I've just learned how to get the sweat stains off my mattress. Now, all I need is to borrow a tennis racket.


Vortex - Jul 21, 2012 1:29:17 pm PDT #17531 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

So, I bought a car today. Perfectly serviceable Nissan Sentra. No heated seats or sunroof :(. I decided that the universe was telling me something when the two cars I wanted were sold or had an option on them. So, I'll drive this for a year or two, then reassess.


smonster - Jul 21, 2012 2:17:14 pm PDT #17532 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Today is one of those days when I literally am just glad that everyone survived intact. Jesus, Mary, and Elvis. The most poorly organized volunteer effort I've been a part of, without a doubt. 150 HS age volunteers working on one house, with ten adult chaperones, and one trained person. Me. I will never work with the organizer again, and I will do my best to make sure no one I know does, either.

Just... damn.


Typo Boy - Jul 21, 2012 2:25:32 pm PDT #17533 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

My 90-year-old Mom is part of a Senior Rock n' Roll choir. Their latest gig was to sing for the Lakefair Queen and her court at the local yacht club. Worst gig they have ever had. They were used as background music while people talked and ate and ignored them. Which would have been fine if it had been disclosed in advance, but they were told they would be performing for an audience. And since they perform for free and pay all their own expenses normally they don't accept background music type things, though once in a while they will do it for good causes - which this does not qualify for. Otherwise, they are playing for fun and "fun" means an audience.

Incidentally she said the Lakefair court totally perpetuated a stereotype - overprivileged , spoiled, self-involved, not too bright. (Some of them majored in math and science. Still not too bright.) And the people at the yacht club did not even offer them water. I told her that the choir director needs to be a bit more picky in which gigs she accepts.