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NoiseDesign - Jul 23, 2012 7:42:04 am PDT #968 of 1416
Our wings are not tired

If she is setting up a lot of systems for you then I think that $10,000 sounds pretty fair. One of the things I've had to learn as a business owner is that there are plenty of tasks that I could be doing, but that I need to be paying someone else to do. The more that I'm caught up in the day to day operational tasks, the less time I'm spending bringing in more clients and more projects for the company. When I can concentrate on those things, and on keeping the current clients and projects running smoothly, then I'm better able to make sure I've got a good amount of money coming into the business.


Typo Boy - Jul 23, 2012 7:45:08 am PDT #969 of 1416
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Also, I have clients pay me all the times for stuff they could do themselves. But their time is worth more to them than my hourly rate. In hard business terms, what do you value your time at per hour? What do you charge clients per hour, and what is your actual hourly rate after unbillable hours, expenses and so on? Don't tell us,we don't need to know, but say it silently to yourself. Compare that to her hourly rate. Look at the time she estimates to do it. Could you do it in less time? If not $10,000 might not be an insane amount to do everything under two conditions:

1) The ding is one you can afford.

2) If you get all $10,000 in work done, the odds are the benefits yielded will be at least twice that.

You should prioritize tasks in any case but:

A) if the answer to either 1 or 2 is no just negotiate a lower amount for only the most important work

B) If the answer to both 1 and 2 is yes, then still negotiate to get the most important tasks done. With the option to do the rest if she performs well on the priority ones, and if the benefits of her completing the priority ones prove worth the expenditure.


Stephanie - Jul 23, 2012 7:45:41 am PDT #970 of 1416
Trust my rage

Drew, that is exactly the lesson I've been working on getting. I'm a good lawyer. I'm not so great at those other things and I don't really want to be.

eta: and Typo, that's a really good way to think about it.


meara - Jul 23, 2012 8:01:38 am PDT #971 of 1416

Well, and if that's $10K over six months, do you have to pay it all at once, or part by part? Is it easier to think of it as a $1200 a month or something? And if she can implement a couple things quickly, would those things being implemented de-stress you? Is being de-stressed for 40 hours a week worth $1200 a month?


Ginger - Jul 23, 2012 8:20:27 am PDT #972 of 1416
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Are there any parts of it that can be doing by online services, such as Shoeboxed for receipts and FreshBooks for invoicing?


le nubian - Jul 23, 2012 8:21:10 am PDT #973 of 1416
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

$10,000 will pay for itself in how many months? That's what I would say.

Will it add to your quality of life? No-brainer. Especially if it pays for itself within 6 months.


Stephanie - Jul 23, 2012 8:35:04 am PDT #974 of 1416
Trust my rage

Of course, the irony here is that I won't know if it's worth it until she does the audit because I don't currently have systems in place to monitor that stuff.


lcat - Jul 23, 2012 9:46:56 am PDT #975 of 1416
I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night.

In the consultants we use, we always treat the audit and the implementation as two separate jobs - basically, we hire them to tell us the problem and then reserve the right to hire them to help us solve the problem. Some consultants push back out of a concern that we'll take the audit results and shop for a better deal but we generally handle that through a confidentiality agreement and a reminder that they have the best shot at the implementation since there is an existing relationship. Also, I think a $10k commitment to a vendor without a track record is risky so splitting it out would give you a chance to see if this is someone you can work with on the implementation portion.


le nubian - Jul 23, 2012 10:21:57 am PDT #976 of 1416
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

lcat, makes a lot of good sense.

I also like the idea of splitting up tasks to see how you like her implementation of part of her plan before you commit to the whole enchilada.


Laura - Jul 30, 2012 2:53:06 am PDT #977 of 1416
Our wings are not tired.

So this is the only thread where I am not zillions of posts behind!

Lots happening on the business front which makes me more crazed than my normal crazed level.

We are moving our offices out of an office/warehouse space and into an office space in a shiny Bank of America building. Pluses include: 1) a mile from the house 2) forces me to sort through crap that we have kept for decades because we had warehouse space 3) more appropriate corporate image 4) much cheaper with bonus of no more bathrooms to stock and clean and electric included.

We also are setting up our datacenter where we are moving a number of our client/server practices and utilizing the technology for backup services for our practices that stay in house. In a couple years we will no longer support client/server which will result in a vast decrease in tech support issues. Big technical transition that is all good stuff.

So yeah, I am exhausted and overwhelmed. But as I explained to DH recently, this is the first time in years that I have felt like things were happening, with real movement, in an actual direction. I have been just going through the motions and saying we needed to do something for a long time. So big changes and I hope when we celebrate our 25th year in business next year we will look like a new company.